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<p>Sorry I should not have used brackets. I should have used quotes to set it apart or italiiczed it. No brackets would be used in a catalog record.</p>
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<p>Heidi G. Lerner</p>
<p>Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica</p>
<p>Metadata Dept.</p>
<p>Stanford University Libraries</p>
<p>Stanford, CA 94305-6004</p>
<p>ph: 650-725-9953</p>
<p>fax: 650-725-1120</p>
<p>e-mail: lerner@stanford.edu</p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Shinohara, Jasmin <jshino@pobox.upenn.edu><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 20, 2016 12:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Heidi G Lerner<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Heb-NACO] 264 bracketed dates: = or that is?</font>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Heidi, if it’s a date of publication, why is it in brackets?
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">“For example if you have a date of publication in the Hebrew calendar followed by a date in the Gregorian calendar in the same source of information you will record it as [Hebrew
calendar=Gregorian calendar]”</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Jasmin</span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Heidi G Lerner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 20, 2016 3:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel; rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] 264 bracketed dates: = or that is?</span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">Hi Bob,</span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">I looked at the manual under the rule you cited and I do not see that we actually addressed the issue so I will go to the Toolkit.</span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">LC-PCC PS 2.8.6.3 tells us to follow the optional addition:</span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">If the date as it appears on the resource is represented in different calendars, record the dates in the order indicated by the sequence, layout, or typography of the
dates on the source of information.</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"> </span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">For example if you have a date of publication in the Hebrew calendar followed by a date in the Gregorian calendar in the same source of information you will record it
as [Hebrew calendar=Gregorian calendar] (or vice versa depending on the order of dates).</span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">Also, if you have a Hebrew date of publication appearing in one source of information and a Gregorian date of publication appearing in another source of information you
would follow the same practice.</span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">However if you have a Hebrew date of publication on one source and a Gregorian date of copyright or manufacture you would not record theses as parallel dates of publication.</span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">You would record the Hebrew date of publication witout brackets and the inferred date of publication based on the Gregorian date of copyright or manufacture in brackets.</span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">I hope that this clarifies the situation.</span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">Best, Heidi</span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">Heidi G. Lerner</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">Metadata Dept.</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">Stanford University Libraries</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">Stanford, CA 94305-6004</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">ph: 650-725-9953</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">fax: 650-725-1120</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">e-mail:
<a href="mailto:lerner@stanford.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">
lerner@stanford.edu</a></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"> Heb-naco <<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>>
on behalf of Robert M. TALBOTT <<a href="mailto:rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 20, 2016 11:04 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Heb-NACO] 264 bracketed dates: = or that is?</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">Folks:<br>
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I've been seeing an awful lot of bracketed dates utilizing the equals<br>
(=) sign, to wit:<br>
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where only a copyright of 774 and a copyright of 2014 are present on<br>
the t.p. verso<br>
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$c [774 = 2014]<br>
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As I read the HCM (2.8.6, pp. 47-48), it appears that the equals sign<br>
is only used in instances where there are two firm dates that are<br>
unbracketed. Again, as I understand it, inside brackets, the phrase<br>
"that is" is used.<br>
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where only a copyright of 774 and a copyright of 2014 are present on<br>
the publication<br>
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$c [774, that is, 2014]<br>
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Am I wrong? Have things changed?<br>
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Thanks<br>
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Bob<br>
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Bob Talbott<br>
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Principal cataloger/Hebraica cataloger<br>
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UC Berkeley<br>
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Berkeley, CA 94720<br>
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I'm just mad about Saffron<br>
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