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<div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; font-size:11pt">Regarding Rachel Simon's question about using email address while establishing a NAR.<br>
Uri <br>
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<span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; font-size:11pt; font-weight:bold">Sent:
</span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; font-size:11pt">ý9/ý3/ý2015 20:13</span><br>
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<p>HI Uri,</p>
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<p>Mea culpa. I had located an email with a similar question in 2006 and found that Bob Talbott had responded to it. I contacted him to see if he still has some e-mail correspondence regarding that issue that he had also brought up and this is what he wrote
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<span style="color:rgb(33,33,33); font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,'Segoe UI','Segoe WP',Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13.3333330154419px">On the other hand, I do recall an issue that came up with using</span><br style="color:rgb(33,33,33); font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,'Segoe UI','Segoe WP',Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13.3333330154419px">
<span style="color:rgb(33,33,33); font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,'Segoe UI','Segoe WP',Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13.3333330154419px">portions of email addresses, and 2006 seems about the right time</span><br style="color:rgb(33,33,33); font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,'Segoe UI','Segoe WP',Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13.3333330154419px">
<span style="color:rgb(33,33,33); font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,'Segoe UI','Segoe WP',Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13.3333330154419px">frame. The matter was simple: if the only form of the name in Latin</span><br style="color:rgb(33,33,33); font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,'Segoe UI','Segoe WP',Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13.3333330154419px">
<span style="color:rgb(33,33,33); font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,'Segoe UI','Segoe WP',Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13.3333330154419px">script was a plausibly full-ish form worked into an email address,</span><br style="color:rgb(33,33,33); font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,'Segoe UI','Segoe WP',Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13.3333330154419px">
<span style="color:rgb(33,33,33); font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,'Segoe UI','Segoe WP',Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13.3333330154419px">then it was permisable to use it as a cross-reference, but not as a</span><br style="color:rgb(33,33,33); font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,'Segoe UI','Segoe WP',Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13.3333330154419px">
<span style="color:rgb(33,33,33); font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,'Segoe UI','Segoe WP',Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13.3333330154419px">prominent romanized form.</span><br style="color:rgb(33,33,33); font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,'Segoe UI','Segoe WP',Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13.3333330154419px">
<br style="color:rgb(33,33,33); font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,'Segoe UI','Segoe WP',Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13.3333330154419px">
<span style="color:rgb(33,33,33); font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,'Segoe UI','Segoe WP',Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13.3333330154419px">For example, a book by ôìåðé àìîåðé comes across my desk. The only</span><br style="color:rgb(33,33,33); font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,'Segoe UI','Segoe WP',Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13.3333330154419px">
<span style="color:rgb(33,33,33); font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,'Segoe UI','Segoe WP',Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13.3333330154419px">romanized form is an email address: Plony Almony. Joan's decision was</span><br style="color:rgb(33,33,33); font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,'Segoe UI','Segoe WP',Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13.3333330154419px">
<span style="color:rgb(33,33,33); font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,'Segoe UI','Segoe WP',Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13.3333330154419px">that "Almony, Plony" was fit for a cross-reference, but didn't meet</span><br style="color:rgb(33,33,33); font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,'Segoe UI','Segoe WP',Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13.3333330154419px">
<span style="color:rgb(33,33,33); font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,'Segoe UI','Segoe WP',Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13.3333330154419px">the standards for prominence and shouldn't be used as a heading.</span><br style="color:rgb(33,33,33); font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,'Segoe UI','Segoe WP',Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13.3333330154419px">
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<span style="color:rgb(33,33,33); font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,'Segoe UI','Segoe WP',Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13.3333330154419px">I hope that's it because I don't recall anything else.</span><br style="color:rgb(33,33,33); font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,'Segoe UI','Segoe WP',Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13.3333330154419px">
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<p><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33); font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,'Segoe UI','Segoe WP',Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13.3333330154419px">I am going to post the query to PCC right now because it is an issue that goes beyond the Hebraica community. I
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<p><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33); font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,'Segoe UI','Segoe WP',Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13.3333330154419px">Best, Heidi</span></p>
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<p>ph: 650-725-9953</p>
<p>fax: 650-725-1120</p>
<p>e-mail: lerner@stanford.edu</p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Kolodney, Uri <kolodney@austin.utexas.edu><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 2, 2015 3:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Heidi G Lerner<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Name authority question</font>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Heidi,</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">I didn’t see that question on the Heb-NACO list, so I’m not sure if you have posted it or not…</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Let me know if you’d prefer I’ll do that myself
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Thanks,</span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Heidi G Lerner [mailto:lerner@stanford.edu]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 26, 2015 3:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kolodney, Uri <kolodney@austin.utexas.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Name authority question</span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">It will be interesting to hear what people say. </span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">I will try and get a query out later today or tomorrow morning. </span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"> Best, Heidi</span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Metadata Dept.</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Stanford University Libraries</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Stanford, CA 94305-6004</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">ph: 650-725-9953</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">fax: 650-725-1120</span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 26, 2015 1:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Heidi G Lerner<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Name authority question</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Sure, I don’t mind at all.</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">My thinking is the same as the latter part of your message. If she ‘calls’ herself “leah.bernstein” in the email address, and
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">ìàä áøðùèééï</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"><span dir="LTR"></span> in Hebrew,
we could use “Leah Bernstein” as the heading….</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Thanks,</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Uri</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"> Heidi G Lerner [<a href="mailto:lerner@stanford.edu" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">mailto:lerner@stanford.edu</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 26, 2015 3:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kolodney, Uri <<a href="mailto:kolodney@austin.utexas.edu" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">kolodney@austin.utexas.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Name authority question</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Hi Uri,</span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">I don't really have an answer for that. There is nothing in RDA which specifies whether we can or cannot use parts of e-mail address for headings. </span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">On the one hand, those forms of names are constructed as strings and do not really present the form of the name as it would be written. On the other hand if we have the
form of the name in Hebrew we can "construct" the romanized form based on the letters used in the e-mail address.</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">If you don't mind, I will post the question to the PCClist and also Heb-NACO.</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">best, HEidi</span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Metadata Dept.</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Stanford University Libraries</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Stanford, CA 94305-6004</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">ph: 650-725-9953</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">fax: 650-725-1120</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">e-mail:
<a href="mailto:lerner@stanford.edu" style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline">
lerner@stanford.edu</a></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 26, 2015 12:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Heidi G Lerner<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Name authority question</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Heidi,</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">I have a book in which the only romanized form appears within an
<u>email address</u>. Could that be considered as the 100??</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">See attached. *I will of course submit a full NAR, but wanted to ask you first so I’d know how to construct it.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Thanks,</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
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