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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We have a different catalogue code now, and more importantly, we can easily find online resources that reflect the Romanization that the author uses in “real life”. So why even consider making up a fictitious Romanized form (which is what systematic Romanization is - metadata invented by catalogers that no user would ever think to look under), when we can find the form of name the author actually uses and is likely to be look under. Virtually all authors currently writing in Hebrew script also use Roman script, and they therefore have a Romanized form they actually use, and in many if not most cases it is quite different than what LC Romanization assigns to them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Aaron Kuperman, LC Law Cataloging Section. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This is not an official communication from my employer<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+akup=loc.gov@lists.osu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Heidi G Lerner<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 07, 2016 11:11 AM<br><b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Use of email form of name?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div id=divtagdefaultwrapper><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi Rachel,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>This question has come up before. Here is a communication from Hebnaco 2004:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><pre style='line-height:14.7pt;background:white;white-space:pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Courier;color:#A01E1E'>I asked CPSO about this and here is the discouraging reply (plus my<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='line-height:14.7pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Courier;color:#A01E1E'>query). But still I think they can be helpful in cases like the one<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='line-height:14.7pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Courier;color:#A01E1E'>Yossi cited--to justify a romanization--and maybe in others. --Joan<o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#A01E1E'><br><br></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><pre style='line-height:14.7pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Courier;color:#A01E1E'>++++++++++++<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='line-height:14.7pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Courier;color:#A01E1E'>No, I don't think I can quite swallow a name in an email address to<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='line-height:14.7pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Courier;color:#A01E1E'>justify a non-roman script heading when there is a Hebrew script form on<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='line-height:14.7pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Courier;color:#A01E1E'>the chief source. (Email addresses don't always really convey a person's<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='line-height:14.7pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Courier;color:#A01E1E'>preferred form--mine certainly doesn't!)<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='line-height:14.7pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Courier;color:#A01E1E'>--Diane<o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#A01E1E'><br><br></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><pre style='line-height:14.7pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Courier;color:#A01E1E'>>>> Joan C Biella 3/11/2004 4:12:59 PM >>><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='line-height:14.7pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Courier;color:#A01E1E'>According to LCRI 22.3C, a prominent roman-script form of name in a<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='line-height:14.7pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Courier;color:#A01E1E'>Hebrew or Yiddish book can be used as a heading. Do you think a name in<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='line-height:14.7pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Courier;color:#A01E1E'>an e-mail address qualifies? For example, would an e-mail address of<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='line-height:14.7pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Courier;color:#A01E1E'>the form [EMAIL PROTECTED] justify creating a heading "Lovins,<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='line-height:14.7pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Courier;color:#A01E1E'>Daniel"? Or how about [EMAIL PROTECTED] that justify a<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='line-height:14.7pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Courier;color:#A01E1E'>heading "Biella, J."? (I'm assuming that these forms would be<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='line-height:14.7pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Courier;color:#A01E1E'>compatible with the Hebrew-script forms of name on the chief sources.)<o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#A01E1E'><br></span><tt><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Courier;color:#A01E1E'>Thank you for your thoughts about this.</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#A01E1E'><br><br></span><tt><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Courier;color:#A01E1E'>Joan</span></tt><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>There have been other discussions of this nature I believe on PCClist and also within my own unit.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The key thing that was noted is that a form of a name found partly or fully in an email cannot be used as a preferred form of a heading although it may help in providing vocalization. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>best, Heidi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=Signature><div id=divtagdefaultwrapper><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Heidi G. Lerner<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Metadata Dept.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Stanford University Libraries<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Stanford, CA 94305-6004<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>ph: 650-725-9953<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>fax: 650-725-1120<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>e-mail: <a href="mailto:lerner@stanford.edu">lerner@stanford.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></span></div><div id=divRplyFwdMsg><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> Heb-naco <<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford.edu@lists.osu.edu">heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford.edu@lists.osu.edu</a>> on behalf of Rachel Simon <<a href="mailto:rsimon@Princeton.EDU">rsimon@Princeton.EDU</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 7, 2016 7:02 AM<br><b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br><b>Subject:</b> [Heb-NACO] Use of email form of name?</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I have a Hebrew book by Dr Eliyahu Lanyado ( </span><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>ã"ø àìéäå ìðéàãå</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span>). There is no explicit Romanized form of his name, but he uses “elilaniado” in his email. Can I establish his name from his email? I couldn’t find him in Facebook, LinkedIn [there is another guy with the same name], etc. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Rachel<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>