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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:JA">Thank you so much for weighing in, Joan! Ki-me'at it is. (LC, please take note…)
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:JA">With a hat-tip to Rachel Simon, there is such a list of
<a href="http://library.princeton.edu/departments/tsd/katmandu/hebrew/roman/errors.html">
Romanization FAQ’s</a> (it’s now also linked on the wiki), but it does need to be updated to reflect the latest E-Sh. (specifically,
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:KO">מעין</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:JA"><span dir="LTR"></span>,
which as of the 2012 update is now ma'ayan). Rachel, would you please consider adding ki-me'at to the list?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jshino=pobox.upenn.edu@lists.osu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Joan Biella<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 29, 2016 9:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">כמעט</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">If you can find the word by looking under both K and M, then you romanize according to the "more analytical" interpretation--ki-me'at in this case--so that a search under "me'at" will discover the phrase.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">The same words cause trouble over and over. Perhaps we should have a list of "words frequently misromanized," which of course would have to be checked and re-checked whenever a new Even-Shoshan edition comes
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">This might give some romanizers added confidence ... but I realize others would never think to consult the list.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Joan<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Shinohara, Jasmin <<a href="mailto:jshino@pobox.upenn.edu" target="_blank">jshino@pobox.upenn.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If anything, it’s a sheva ha-merahef (</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">לעניות
דעתי</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span dir="LTR"></span>), but that doesn’t address the question of whether or not the
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">is here as a “little word”.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Yossi Galron<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 29, 2016 6:07 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">כמעט</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Okay - I have to consult
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">גדולים וחכמים ממני </span>if it is a <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">
שווא נע </span>or a <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">שווא נח</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I guess if it is a
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">שווא נח </span>then it will be Kim'at and not Ki-me'at<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Yossi<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Shinohara, Jasmin <<a href="mailto:jshino@pobox.upenn.edu" target="_blank">jshino@pobox.upenn.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I agree, but most of the entries in LC since 2012 have kim’at. Hence the question.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Heb-naco [mailto:<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Yossi Galron<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 29, 2016 5:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">כמעט</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">So the question is: Should it be Ki-me'at, or Kime'at?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I think it should be Ki-me'at - the entry in E.Sh. under
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">מעט </span>is much more elaborate then half the line under
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">כמעט</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">(The same is also in the
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Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: <a href="http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit" target="_blank">
http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Shinohara, Jasmin <<a href="mailto:jshino@pobox.upenn.edu" target="_blank">jshino@pobox.upenn.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">E-Sh. now has an entry for the word as itself, though it maintains a “see” reference to
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">מעט</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>. Do we consider this to be a changed Romanization? If so, I’ll add it to the chart on the wiki.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks, Jasmin<o:p></o:p></p>
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