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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:JA">So
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is ‘yo’ (“injen<i>YO</i>zo”, “Rome<i>YO</i>”, “edis<i>YO</i>n”)? Should it not then be “ṿerś<i>Y</i>on”? (and should this kelal be added to the chart?)
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:JA">For other letters, though, how can I know just based on the Romanization table, when
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is ‘i’ (as in “<i>I</i>njenyozo”) and when it’s ‘e’ (as in “ḳompuʾ<i>E</i>śṭo”)? In the case of names, I can determine a
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:KO">י</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:JA"><span dir="LTR"></span>
(yod) based on found Romanization (e.g. “Ḳ<i>I</i>shoṭe” and not “Ḳ<i>E</i>shoṭe”, “P<i>I</i>lar” and not “P<i>E</i>lar”, etc.), but what about other words (e.g., “aljam<i>I</i>adah” and not (“aljam<i>E</i>adah”)? Also, when do I add the aleph diacritic
(“ḳompu<i>ʾ</i>eśṭo”, “Śa<i>ʾ</i>aṿedrah”), and when not (“aljamiadah”)? And when is a
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(vav) a ‘u’ and when an ‘o’ (“ḳ<i>O</i>mp<i>U</i>ʾeśṭ<i>O</i>”, “ḳapiṭ<i>U</i>l<i>O</i>s”)?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:JA">Or is my only hope to consult a Spanish speaker for the vowels? (They couldn’t advise on the diactric, though.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:JA">Lisa Rohde (at JTS) emailed me directly; I will forward her response and my follow-up questions separately so as to avoid an overly
lengthy email…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Heidi G Lerner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Cc:</b> galron1@osu.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Ladino romanization help<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Dear Jasmin,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Here is the romanization that I come up with based on the ALA/LC Romanization table:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">El injenyozo Hidalgo Don Ḳishoṭe de lah Manjah :ǂbḳapiṭulos 1-8 /ǂcḳompuʾeśṭo por Migel de Servanṭes Śaʾaṿedrah : ṿerśion aljamiadah por Pilar Romeyo-Fero śegun
lah primerah edisyon de Madrid de Juan deh lah Ḳuesṭah (1605).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">.Best, Heidi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> Heb-naco <<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford.edu@lists.osu.edu">heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford.edu@lists.osu.edu</a>>
on behalf of Shinohara, Jasmin <<a href="mailto:jshino@pobox.upenn.edu">jshino@pobox.upenn.edu</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:galron1@osu.edu">galron1@osu.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Heb-NACO] Ladino romanization help</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Hi, I’m struggling to understand the vowel Romanization for Ladino: when does an
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">א</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>
simply get transcribed as an ‘a’ and when with a diacritical aleph; when there’s no vocalization, how does one know when the
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">ו</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="HE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">(vav) is an ‘o’ or a ‘u’? Is an
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">אי</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>
always ‘e’, or sometimes ‘i’, depending on the context? The same for a </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">י</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>
(yod) -- when there’s no vocalization, how does one know when it’s an ‘e’ and when it’s an ‘i’? For those of us who don’t know Spanish, it’s rather a toss-up.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">The case I have in hand is
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p align="right" style="text-align:right;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p align="right" style="text-align:right;background:white"><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">איל אינג'יניאוזו הידלגו דון קיש'וטי די לה מאנג'ה</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>
: ǂb <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p align="right" style="text-align:right;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">(</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">קאפיטולוש. 1-8</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>)
/ ǂc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p align="right" style="text-align:right;background:white"><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">קומפואישטו פור מיגיל די סירב'אנטיש שאאוידרה ; וירשיאון אלג'אמיאדה פור פילאר רומיאו-פ'ירי, שיגון לה פרימירה
אידיסיאון די מאדריד די ג'ואן די לה קואישטה (1605</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Though there’s no vocalization on the
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">ש</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>’s,
given the context I know they’re meant to be ‘sin’ (other than in </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">קיש'וטי</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>)
; but otherwise, do I go for consistency when Romanizing the vavs and yods, or, especially in the case of names, transcribe what makes sense? This is my current stab at it:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">El enjene’ozo hidalgo Don Ḳeshoṭe de lah Manjah : ǂb (ḳapitoloś. 1-8) / ǂc ḳompo’eśṭo por Megel de Servanṭeś Śa’aṿedrah ; ṿerśe’on aljameadah
por Pelar Romeo-Fere, śegon lah premerah edeseon de Madrid de Joan de lah Ḳoeśṭah (1605).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">But in this case I’ve got an added t.p. in Spanish:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">El ingenioso hidalgo Don Quijote de la Mancha : ǂb (capítulos 1-8) / ǂc compuesto por Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra ; versión aljamiada por Pilar Romeu
Ferré según la primera edición de Madrid de Juan de la Cuesta (1605).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Based on the Spanish I’m second-guessing some the romanized words:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">1.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Should it be enjene’ozo or injeneozo? Or injene’ozo? Or injeni’ozo?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">2.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Is it Ḳeshoṭe or Ḳishoṭe?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">3.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">ḳapitoloś. or ḳapituloś. (the full stop appears on the source)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">4.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">ḳompo’eśṭo or ḳompueśṭo? Or ḳompu’eśṭo?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">5.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Megel or Migel?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">6.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Śa’aṿedrah or Śaaṿedrah?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">7.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">ṿerśe'on or ṿerśion? Or ṿerśi’on?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">8.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">aljameadah or aljamiadah? Or aljami’adah?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">9.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Pelar or Pilar?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">10.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Romeo or Romeu? Or Rome’u?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">11.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">śegon or śegun?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">12.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">premerah or primerah?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">13.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">edeseon or edision? Or edisi’on?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">14.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Jo’an or Juan? Or Ju’an?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">15.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Ḳo’eśṭah or Ḳueśṭah? Or Ḳu’eśṭah?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Please advise. Thanks!! Jasmin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Van Pelt-Dietrich Library Center<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">3420 Walnut Street<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Philadelphia, PA 19104-6206<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">T. 215-746-6397<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">F. 215-573-9610<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:jshino@upenn.edu">jshino@upenn.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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