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<p>Hi Jasmin,</p>
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<p>You have a choice in the situation. If you choose to code it for BIBCO you will have to follow the PCC Guidelines for Creating Bibliographic Records in Multiple Character Sets. It appears that any update to the 2010 document has yet to appear so that is
what PCC catalogers have to work with. In other words you will have to substitute "Arabic" numbers for the Hebrew letters of the date. </p>
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<p>LC's policy is different as you point out. </p>
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<p>RDA Hebraica Cataloging functino is presenting the options for Hebraica catalogers. Catalogers at LC must use Hebrew letters in the vernacular field; PCC catalogers have to substitute Arabic numbers; non-PCC and non-LC catalogers can choose to do what they
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<p>I know that we have discussed this issue in the past and I honestly can't remember if our community was engaged by the task force working on preparing the next version of the above document to conform to RDA rules. </p>
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<p>Sharon Benamou was a member of that committee. I will try and get in touch with her to find out the status of that group. I believe that Peter Fletcher is the head of that group.</p>
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<p>I hope that this helps clarify the different options available to you.</p>
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<p>If the issue has not been brought to the attention of the task force I will add it to our agenda for our June 19th meeting in Charleston.</p>
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<p>Meanwhile your edition statement should be recorded as </p>
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<p>Mahadurah rishonah</p>
<p>מהדורה ראשונה </p>
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<p>since that is how it appears your resource (RDA 2.5.1.4).</p>
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<p>Best, Heidi</p>
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<p>Heidi G. Lerner</p>
<p>Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica</p>
<p>Metadata Dept.</p>
<p>Stanford University Libraries</p>
<p>Stanford, CA 94305-6004</p>
<p>ph: 650-725-9953</p>
<p>fax: 650-725-1120</p>
<p>e-mail: lerner@stanford.edu</p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford.edu@lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Shinohara, Jasmin <jshino@pobox.upenn.edu><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Shtuhl, Smadar<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Heb-NACO] recording hebrew date in vernacular field</font>
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<span style="">Hi all,</span></p>
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<span style="">I’m trying to understand how to best parse HCM2’s recommendation vis a vis the PCC practice for Alternative (1<sup>st</sup>) … : 2.5.2, p. 16. “If the date of publication is represented only in Hebrew letters, the numbers must be rendered in
Western-style Arabic numerals.” One example is then given for “715 [1954 or 1955]” in both the vernacular and romanized 264 fields. (HCM2, p. 37) Before that, though, the LC practice for Alternative (1<sup>st</sup>) states: … generally supply non-Latin scripts
for the languages/scripts …: …Hebrew, Yiddish, … . If following minimal level cataloguing guidelines, the records for these languages/scripts may be fully romanized.” (HCM2, p. 36-37)</span></p>
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<span style="">I have in front of me the following in the source:</span></p>
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<span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">מהדורה ראשונה, אדר ב', תשע"ד, 2014</span><span style=""></span></p>
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<span style="">We take dates following ed. statements to be pub. dates, but in this case our date of publication is NOT “represented only in Hebrew letters”, so do we follow the PCC practice on 2.5.2 and render the date in Arabic numerals? Also, as per the
LC practice, we are to supply the non-Latin scripts. But we are following more than minimal level cataloguing, so should they be romanized?</span></p>
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<span style="">My </span><span style="">vernacular </span><span style="">250 is </span>
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">מהדורה 1.</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style=""><span dir="LTR"></span>; is the vernacular 264_1
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<span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">אדר 2., 774 = 2014</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="HE" style=""><span dir="LTR"></span>
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<span style="">or</span></p>
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<span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">אדר ב' תשע"ד = 2014</span><span style=""></span></p>
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<span style="">(The romanized 264_1 is Adar 2., 774 [March 2014] = 2014, with fixed fields DtSt=e, Date 1=2014, Date 2=03.)</span></p>
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<span style="">Please advise. Thanks, Jasmin<sup></sup></span></p>
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