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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Does it happen that Hebrew numbers are written without geresh (one character) or gershayim (more than one character)?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="color:black">Neil M. Frau-Cortes, Ph.D.</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+nfrau=umd.edu@lists.osu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Heidi G Lerner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 23, 2016 5:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">כיתות ג' עד ו</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>'<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Hi Yosi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> I think that you should add a period after the number "1". If a Hebrew cardinal number is followed by a "'" [geresh] doesn't that make it an ordinal number?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">i.e.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="color:black">א</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span> = 1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="color:black">א׳ = .1</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="color:black">ׁ</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">According to RDA Hebraica cataloging: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">As a convention, ordinal numerals are generally transcribed with a period.
</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">In the nonroman bibliographic record, the period goes to the left of the numeral if it is transcribed as such</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">So I think that </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:12.5pt;color:black">מועד א</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:12.5pt;color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span>' [geresh
after the <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">א</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>]</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;color:black">would be transcribed in the 245 as Moed 1. : sipurim</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;background:white"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;color:black">And t you could even add two variant titles:</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;color:black">246 3 Mo'ed alef</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;color:black">246 3 Mo'ed rishon</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;color:black">Best, Heidi</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">As a convention, ordinal numerals are generally transcribed with a period.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">In the non<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">roman
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">bibliographic record, the period goes to the left of the numeral if it is transcribed as such<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">As a convention, ordinal numerals are generally transcribed with a period.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">In the non<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">roman
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">bibliographic record, the period goes to the left of the numeral if it is transcribed as such<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> Heb-naco <<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu">heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>>
on behalf of Yossi Galron <<a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com">jgalron@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 23, 2016 2:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">כיתות ג' עד ו</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span>'</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Uri,<br>
I agree with you - it should be kitot 1 ad 6<br>
Now I have another case that has the same problem: there is a book by Ruth Lorand<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="HE" style="font-size:13.5pt">מועד א' : סיפורים (תל-אביב : ספרית פועלים, תשל"ז 1977) </span><span dir="LTR" style="font-size:13.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">In this case I would romanize it as "Mo'ed 1" and add a 246 with "Mo'ed alef"</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Yossi</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="color:black">So, I always thought that this would be “kitot 3 ‘ad 6”, but now I see different practices which would translate to “Gimel ‘ad Ṿaṿ”, or even “G. ‘ad Ṿ”<span lang="HE" dir="RTL"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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