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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The images did not go through….. (I attach them here again for Neil)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Anyway, yes, it does happen.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Uri<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+kolodney=austin.utexas.edu@lists.osu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kolodney, Uri<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt">כיתות ג' עד ו</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span dir="LTR"></span>'<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Certainly!<br>
See </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt">ב</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span dir="LTR"></span> examples attached
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif">😊</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
Uri <br>
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Sent from my Windows Phone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a href="mailto:nfrau@umd.edu">Neil Manel Frau-Cortes</a></span><br>
<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sent: </span></b><span lang="HE" style="font-size:11.0pt"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">3/</span><span lang="HE" style="font-size:11.0pt"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">24/</span><span lang="HE" style="font-size:11.0pt"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">2016
14:35</span><br>
<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">To: </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu">Hebrew Name Authority Funnel</a></span><br>
<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Subject: </span>
</b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Re: [Heb-NACO]
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt">כיתות ג' עד ו</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span dir="LTR"></span>'</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Does it happen that Hebrew numbers are written without geresh (one character) or gershayim (more than one character)?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="color:black">Neil M. Frau-Cortes, Ph.D.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> Heb-naco [<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces+nfrau=umd.edu@lists.osu.edu">mailto:heb-naco-bounces+nfrau=umd.edu@lists.osu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Heidi G Lerner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 23, 2016 5:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">כיתות ג' עד ו</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>'</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Hi Yosi,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> I think that you should add a period after the number "1". If a Hebrew cardinal number is followed by a "'" [geresh] doesn't that make it an ordinal number?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">i.e.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="background:white"><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="color:black">א</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="color:black"> </span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span>= 1</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="background:white"><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="color:black">א׳ = .1</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="background:white"><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="color:black">ׁ</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">According to RDA Hebraica cataloging: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">As a convention, ordinal numerals are generally transcribed with a period.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">In the nonroman bibliographic record, the period goes to the left of the numeral if it is transcribed as such</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">So I think that </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:12.5pt;color:black">מועד א</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:12.5pt;color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span>' [geresh
after the <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">א</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;color:black">would be transcribed in the 245 as Moed 1. : sipurim</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;color:black">And t you could even add two variant titles:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;color:black">246 3 Mo'ed alef</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;color:black">246 3 Mo'ed rishon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;color:black">Best, Heidi</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">As a convention, ordinal numerals are generally transcribed with a period.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">In the non</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">roman
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">bibliographic record, the period goes to the left of the numeral if it is transcribed as such</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">As a convention, ordinal numerals are generally transcribed with a period.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">bibliographic record, the period goes to the left of the numeral if it is transcribed as such</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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on behalf of Yossi Galron <<a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com">jgalron@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 23, 2016 2:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">כיתות ג' עד ו</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span>'</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Uri,<br>
I agree with you - it should be kitot 1 ad 6<br>
Now I have another case that has the same problem: there is a book by Ruth Lorand</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir="RTL"></span><span lang="HE" style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">מועד א' : סיפורים (תל-אביב : ספרית פועלים, תשל"ז 1977) </span><span dir="LTR" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">In this case I would romanize it as "Mo'ed 1" and add a 246 with "Mo'ed alef"</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">So, I always thought that this would be “kitot 3 ‘ad 6”, but now I see different practices which would translate to “Gimel ‘ad Ṿaṿ”, or even “G. ‘ad Ṿ”</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Uri</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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