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See Stephen Hearn's email from yesterday (3:02PM), where he says:<br>
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"Yes, it would be more in keeping with MARC21 to add a date
qualifier to subfield $p in parentheses without $f when it
distinguishes the work being named. In the MARC21 Bib Format under
Heading Fields, X30, the text distinguishes between "date of
publication" added to a uniform title field in subfield $f and "Date
added parenthetically to distinguish between identical uniform
titles" without separate subfield coding."<br>
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As I understand it, when added in parenthesis the date is needed as
part of the access point for differentiation; in $f it's just added
for the sake of extra information.<br>
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Heidi, do I understand that correctly?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/16/2015 1:56 PM, Judith Zupnick
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<p>What is the difference whether one records the date in
subfield f or in parentheses?<br>
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Heb-naco <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu"><heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu></a> on behalf
of Heidi G Lerner <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lerner@stanford.edu"><lerner@stanford.edu></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 16, 2015 8:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> HebNACO<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Heb-NACO] Fwd: [PCCLIST] Works.
Selections (Date)</font>
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<div>FYI<br>
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<div><b>From:</b> "Adam L. Schiff" <<a
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<b>Date:</b> November 13, 2015 at 4:03:49 PM EST<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> <b>[PCCLIST] Works. Selections (Date)</b><br>
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I did a keyword search today in the OCLC authority
file for titles containing the words works,
selections, and 2015. There are records like these:</p>
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Ashlag, Yehudah. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2015)</p>
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font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif;">
Dōgen, ǂd 1200-1253. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2015)</p>
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font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif;">
Jano, Jack. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2015)</p>
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font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif;">
Kook, Abraham Isaac, ǂd 1865-1935. ǂt Works. ǂk
Selections (2015)</p>
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font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif;">
Lovecraft, H. P. ǂq (Howard Phillips), ǂd 1890-1937.
ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2015)</p>
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But many, many more records like these:</p>
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font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif;">
Austen, Jane, ǂd 1775-1817. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections.
ǂf 2015</p>
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font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif;">
Benjamin, Walter, ǂd 1892-1940. ǂt Works. ǂk
Selections. ǂf 2015</p>
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font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif;">
Chopin, Kate, ǂd 1850-1904. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections.
ǂf 2015</p>
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font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif;">
Jackson, Shirley, ǂd 1916-1965. ǂt Works. ǂk
Selections. ǂf 2015</p>
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font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif;">
Lawrence, D. H. ǂq (David Herbert), ǂd 1885-1930. ǂt
Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015</p>
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font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif;">
Madison, James, ǂd 1751-1836. ǂt Works. ǂk
Selections. ǂf 2015</p>
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font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif;">
Man Ray, ǂd 1890-1976. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf
2015</p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif;">
Noonan, Peggy, ǂd 1950- ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf
2015</p>
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And more complicated ones such as:</p>
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font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif;">
Piglia, Ricardo. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015 ǂs
(Editorial Universidad de Talca)</p>
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font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif;">
Piglia, Ricardo. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015 ǂs
(Eterna Cadencia Editora)</p>
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Since Works. Selections is considered a work access
point and not an expression point, when breaking a
conflict with another collection that has the same
collective title, the qualifier(s) should be put in
paretheses and no subfielding is used in such a
situation (work qualifiers are never preceded by
subfield coding).</p>
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It doesn’t look like many NACO catalogers understand
this from the disparity between the number of
correctly coded records and the incorrectly coded
ones. Do we need somehow to do a better job of
teaching this? Do we need a project to clean up all
the incorrectly coded Works. Selections RDA access
points? Or does it not matter?</p>
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