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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I agree with Barry and Jasmin. Transcribing an initial psi as “pes-“ doesn’t make any philological sense, and it is not serving the users. I think the same
applies to “dramah” = δράμα<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="color:black">Neil M. Frau-Cortes, Ph.D.</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Judaica, Hebraica and Metadata Cataloger<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">McKeldin Library<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">University of Maryland<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+nfrau=umd.edu@lists.osu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Barry Walfish<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 09, 2015 3:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization Question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">I thought we agreed that since the ps represents one letter in Greek (psi), pesefas makes no sense, and it should be treated like psikhologyah.<br>
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Barry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Barry Dov Walfish, Ph.D.<br>
Judaica Specialist<br>
University of Toronto Libraries <br>
Toronto, ON M5S 1A5<br>
Canada<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Heb-naco [heb-naco-bounces+barry.walfish=utoronto.ca@lists.osu.edu]
on behalf of Neil Manel Frau-Cortes [nfrau@umd.edu]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 09, 2015 3:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization Question</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">… which kind of shows that the issue is not very well solved, IMHO.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="color:black">Neil M. Frau-Cortes, Ph.D.</span></b><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Judaica, Hebraica and Metadata Cataloger</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">McKeldin Library</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">University of Maryland<br>
College Park, MD 20742<br>
Phone (301) 405-9337</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><a href="UrlBlockedError.aspx" target="_blank">nfrau@umd.edu</a></span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Heb-naco [<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu">mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Yossi Galron<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 09, 2015 3:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization Question</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:black">Heidi, <br>
I believe our practice was Pesefas and not Psefas.<br>
Yossi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">On Nov 9, 2015 3:21 PM, "Heidi G Lerner" <<a href="mailto:lerner@stanford.edu" target="_blank">lerner@stanford.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Based on the conversation I agree with Yosi.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Unless there is strong disagreement we shall romanize </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="color:black">פסיפס</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">as "psefas"</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Best, Heidi</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Heidi G. Lerner</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Metadata Dept.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Stanford University Libraries</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Stanford, CA 94305-6004</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">ph:
<a href="tel:650-725-9953" target="_blank">650-725-9953</a></span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">fax:
<a href="tel:650-725-1120" target="_blank">650-725-1120</a></span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">e-mail:
<a href="mailto:lerner@stanford.edu" target="_blank">lerner@stanford.edu</a></span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> Heb-naco <<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>>
on behalf of Yossi Galron <<a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgalron@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 9, 2015 12:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization Question</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">
</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I wouldn't change our practice.<br>
Just lazy.<br>
Yossi</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On Nov 9, 2015 3:11 PM, "sshtuhl" <<a href="mailto:sshtuhl@upenn.edu" target="_blank">sshtuhl@upenn.edu</a>> wrote:</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Hi all,<br>
We had an interesting discussion about the Romanization of foreign-loan words. Can we get to any agreement about how to Romanize the word
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="color:black">פסיפס</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span>?<br>
Thanks,<br>
Smadar<br>
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Smadar Shtuhl<br>
Hebraica Library Specialist<br>
University of Pennsylvania<br>
Van Pelt-Dietrich Library Center<br>
3420 Walnut Street<br>
Philadelphia, PA 19104-6206<br>
F. <a href="tel:215-573-9610" target="_blank">215-573-9610</a><br>
<a href="mailto:sshtuhl@upenn.edu" target="_blank">sshtuhl@upenn.edu</a><br>
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