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(I think you mean טחב. <span class="moz-smiley-s1"><span> :-) </span></span>)<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/27/2015 2:18 PM, Neil Manel
Frau-Cortes wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
agree with Barry that this is ki + metahaveh (which appears
as a single word on ES, and is linked to the root
</span><span dir="RTL"
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="HE">טחה</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="ES-TRAD"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="ES-TRAD"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="ES-TRAD">However, I think the discussion is: should we
consider
</span><span dir="RTL"
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="HE">כמטחוה-</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span
dir="LTR"></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="CA"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> as
a single preposition? “A distance of about...” As such it
can combine with </span>
<span dir="RTL"
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="HE">קשת, תוחה</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span
dir="LTR"></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="CA"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>,
etc, and wouldn’t be unlike compound prepositions such as </span><span
dir="RTL"
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="HE">לפני</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="CA"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>, in
which the etymology as separate words is not really
relevant.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span
style="color:black">Neil M. Frau-Cortes, Ph.D.</span></b><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Heb-naco
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces+nfrau=umd.edu@lists.osu.edu">mailto:heb-naco-bounces+nfrau=umd.edu@lists.osu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Barry Walfish<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 27, 2015 2:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-CA">I don’t see that. Question is, is the mem part
of the word, as metahaveh, or a preposition: min tahaveh.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-CA">Even Shoshan lists it under Metahaveh, unless
it changed this in the newer edtions (mine is from 1969).
It’s a very strange word, but it seems like the mem is part
of the construction.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-CA">Barry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Heb-naco [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces+barry.walfish=utoronto.ca@lists.osu.edu">mailto:heb-naco-bounces+barry.walfish=utoronto.ca@lists.osu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Yossi Galron<br>
<b>Sent:</b> July 27, 2015 1:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">I would disagree:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">The correct form
would be (IMO) Kime-tahave as in
</span><span dir="RTL" lang="HE">כמטחווי-קשת </span><span
dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span
lang="EN-CA"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">See Genesis 21:16
and ES, vol. 2, page 641<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Joseph (Yossi)
Galron-Goldschläger<br>
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Tel.: (614) 292-3362, Fax: (614)292-1918<br>
Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: <a
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit">http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit</a></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">On Mon, Jul 27, 2015
at 1:25 PM, Barry Walfish <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:barry.walfish@utoronto.ca"
target="_blank">barry.walfish@utoronto.ca</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-CA">I would go with the first option,
following ES.</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-CA"> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-CA">Barry</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-CA"> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-CA"> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-CA"> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Heb-naco [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces%2Bbarry.walfish"
target="_blank">heb-naco-bounces+barry.walfish</a>=<a
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href="mailto:utoronto.ca@lists.osu.edu"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:utoronto.ca@lists.osu.edu">utoronto.ca@lists.osu.edu</a></a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Heidi G Lerner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> July 27, 2015 1:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a></a>)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Heb-NACO] romanization question</span><span
lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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lang="EN-CA"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-CA">I would like some help on
providing the correct romanization for</span><span
lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-CA"> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
dir="RTL"
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="HE">כמטחווי</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span
dir="LTR"></span><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-CA"><span dir="LTR"></span><span
dir="LTR"></span> </span><span
lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-CA"> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-CA">Would it be:</span><span
lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-CA"> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-CA">ki-meṭaḥaṿe</span><span
lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-CA"> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-CA">or</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-CA"> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-CA">ki-mṭaḥaṿe</span><span
lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-CA"> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-CA">Alkalay does not show a "sheva"
under the Even-Shoshan does.</span><span
lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-CA"> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-CA"> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-CA">Thanks, Heidi</span><span
lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-CA">--
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style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-CA">Heidi G. Lerner<br>
Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica<br>
Metadata Development Unit<br>
Stanford University Libraries<br>
Stanford, CA 94305-6004<br>
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