<html><body><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>That makes sense. <br></div><div><br></div><div>In this case all iniital "sheva's" are transcrbied in Hebrew words so we would have<br></div><div><br></div><div>"ki-meṭaḥaṿe".<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks to all for you for your input.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Neil Manel Frau-Cortes" <nfrau@umd.edu><br><b>To: </b>"Hebrew Name Authority Funnel" <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, July 27, 2015 11:18:52 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization question<br><div><br></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I agree with Barry that this is ki + metahaveh (which appears as a single word on ES, and is linked to the root
</span><span dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="HE">טחה</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="ES-TRAD"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="ES-TRAD">However, I think the discussion is: should we consider
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as a single preposition? “A distance of about...” As such it can combine with </span>
<span dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="HE">קשת, תוחה</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="CA"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>,
etc, and wouldn’t be unlike compound prepositions such as </span><span dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="HE">לפני</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="CA"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>,
in which the etymology as separate words is not really relevant.</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Barry Walfish<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 27, 2015 2:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization question</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">I don’t see that. Question is, is the mem part of the word, as metahaveh, or a preposition: min tahaveh.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">Even Shoshan lists it under Metahaveh, unless it changed this in the newer edtions (mine is from 1969). It’s a very strange word, but it seems
like the mem is part of the construction.</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Yossi Galron<br>
<b>Sent:</b> July 27, 2015 1:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization question</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">I would disagree:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">The correct form would be (IMO) Kime-tahave as in
</span><span dir="RTL" lang="HE">כמטחווי-קשת </span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="EN-CA"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">See Genesis 21:16 and ES, vol. 2, page 641</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Barry Walfish <<a href="mailto:barry.walfish@utoronto.ca" target="_blank">barry.walfish@utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Heidi G Lerner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> July 27, 2015 1:08 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Heb-NACO] romanization question</span><span lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-CA">I would like some help on providing the correct romanization for</span><span lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-CA">Would it be:</span><span lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-CA">ki-meṭaḥaṿe</span><span lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-CA">Thanks, Heidi</span><span lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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