<html><body><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>Dear Aaron,</div><div><br></div><div>What one might think about doing, except that you indicate that a subject heading is not warranted would be proving the name of the person with the subdivision "influence.</div><div><br></div><div>Since that is not an option, I would suggest just giving the name of the person and the accompanying text about his influence in a quoted note.</div><div><br></div><div>Just my "two cents".</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks, Heiid</div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Aaron Taub" <atau@loc.gov><br><b>To: </b>"Hebrew Name Authority Funnel" <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu><br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, July 2, 2015 11:07:13 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Heb-NACO] relationship designator for posek?<br><div><br></div><style><!--
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--></style><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Dear Heidi, Aaron K., and All,</p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">The scenario that Ela is describing is not really a commentary on a person’s particular work and arguably does not merit a subject heading. Rather, the posek has influenced the writing of the author to such a degree that the posek is featured prominently on the title page. </p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,</p><p class="MsoNormal">Aaron T.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Heidi G Lerner<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 01, 2015 12:44 PM<br><b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] relationship designator for posek?</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Historically I believe that catalogers have usually treated posḳim as creators [author or compiler?]. If we follow that practice then it seems that the resource being cataloged could be treated as a commentary on the legal adjudications of the poseḳ. </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">In this case we can use a formal relationship designator such as found in RDA J.2.1 in a MARC21 700 field such as "Based on (work):[author].|t[preferred title]" or M.2.2 "Commentary on (work): [author]. [preferred title]"</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I am eager to hear thoughts from other members of our cataloging community.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Thanks, Heidi</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </span></p></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" id="zwchr"></span></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">"Ela Pelish" <<a href="mailto:epel@loc.gov" target="_blank">epel@loc.gov</a>><br><b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu</a>" <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, July 1, 2015 7:45:17 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>[Heb-NACO] relationship designator for posek?</span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> </span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Hello All,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">On numerous rabbinic books, it is stated explicity (and prominently) that the work is based on the pesak/writings (title often unspecified) of a particular posek. But so far, there is no relationship designator available. I found on Wikipedia two concise descriptions: “Jewish law arbiter” and “Jewish law adjudicator.” </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">We’ve discussed this issue in the Israel and Judaica section here at LC. The question is not only which term is better but also should we be giving access to the posek without the title of the specific work he authored. Would having such a relationship designator be helpful? Thank you in advance for your feedback.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Ela Pelish</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Israel and Judaica section</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Library of Congress</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><br>_______________________________________________<br>Heb-naco mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a><br><a href="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco" target="_blank">https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco</a></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">-- </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Heidi G. Lerner<br>Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica<br>Metadata Development Unit<br>Stanford University Libraries<br>Stanford, CA 94305-6004<br>e-mail: <a href="mailto:lerner@stanford.edu" target="_blank">lerner@stanford.edu</a><br>ph: 650-725-9953<br>fax: 650-725-1120<br></span></p><div><br></div><p></p></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>Heb-naco mailing list<br>Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu<br>https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco<br></div><div><br><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div><span name="x"></span>Heidi G. Lerner<br>Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica<br>Metadata Development Unit<br>Stanford University Libraries<br>Stanford, CA 94305-6004<br>e-mail: lerner@stanford.edu<br>ph: 650-725-9953<br>fax: 650-725-1120<br><span name="x"></span><br></div></div></body></html>