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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>1. But in any event, the person is neither the creator nor contributor, and a 700 heading would not be correct.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>2. When relationship indicators are created for 600/610/630 headings, we probably want one for a work the claims to have been influence by someone or something else. This is not a uniquely “Jewish” or “Hebrew” issue. For Islamic law, there are specific “schools” that are added as headings, and for general law we have a heading in the pattern of “Law--[<i>country or religion</i>] influences” reflect the typical sorts of influences in most legal systems.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>3. At present, there is always the option of a 600/610/630 heading with the subdivision <b>$x Influence</b>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>4. There is no problem in transcribing what is on the title page either in the 245 field, or as a quoted note in the 500 field.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Aaron K.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Aaron Kuperman, LC Law Cataloging Section. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>This is not an official communication from my employer<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+akup=loc.gov@lists.osu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Taub, Aaron<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 02, 2015 2:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Hebrew Name Authority Funnel'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] relationship designator for posek?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Dear Heidi, Aaron K., and All,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The scenario that Ela is describing is not really a commentary on a person’s particular work and arguably does not merit a subject heading. Rather, the posek has influenced the writing of the author to such a degree that the posek is featured prominently on the title page. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Aaron T.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Heb-naco [<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu">mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Heidi G Lerner<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 01, 2015 12:44 PM<br><b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] relationship designator for posek?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Historically I believe that catalogers have usually treated posḳim as creators [author or compiler?]. If we follow that practice then it seems that the resource being cataloged could be treated as a commentary on the legal adjudications of the poseḳ. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>In this case we can use a formal relationship designator such as found in RDA J.2.1 in a MARC21 700 field such as "Based on (work):[author].|t[preferred title]" or M.2.2 "Commentary on (work): [author]. [preferred title]"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I am eager to hear thoughts from other members of our cataloging community.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks, Heidi<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>"Ela Pelish" <<a href="mailto:epel@loc.gov">epel@loc.gov</a>><br><b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu">heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu</a>" <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu">heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, July 1, 2015 7:45:17 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>[Heb-NACO] relationship designator for posek?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Hello All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>On numerous rabbinic books, it is stated explicity (and prominently) that the work is based on the pesak/writings (title often unspecified) of a particular posek. But so far, there is no relationship designator available. I found on Wikipedia two concise descriptions: “Jewish law arbiter” and “Jewish law adjudicator.” <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>We’ve discussed this issue in the Israel and Judaica section here at LC. The question is not only which term is better but also should we be giving access to the posek without the title of the specific work he authored. Would having such a relationship designator be helpful? Thank you in advance for your feedback.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Ela Pelish<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Israel and Judaica section<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Library of Congress<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Heb-naco mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu">Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a><br><a href="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco">https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Heidi G. Lerner<br>Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica<br>Metadata Development Unit<br>Stanford University Libraries<br>Stanford, CA 94305-6004<br>e-mail: <a href="mailto:lerner@stanford.edu">lerner@stanford.edu</a><br>ph: 650-725-9953<br>fax: 650-725-1120<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>