<html><body><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;">Hi Vanessa,</span></p><p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;">Please see my responses below (in Italics):</span></p><p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;"> </span></p><p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;"> </span></p><p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;"> </span></p><div align="center" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center;" data-mce-style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: center;"><hr size="2" width="100%" noshade="noshade" align="center"></div><p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;">From: </span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;">"Vanessa Freedman" <v.freedman@ucl.ac.uk><br> <b>To: </b>heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu<br> <b>Sent: </b>Friday, May 8, 2015 6:43:25 AM<br> <b>Subject: </b>[Heb-NACO] Relationship designator for writer of hagdomeh</span></p><p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;"> </span></p><p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;">A bit of a trivial RDA question, but what would you use as a relationship designator for the writer of a </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;">הקדמה</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> (hagdomeh) in a Yiddish book – ‘writer of foreword’ or ‘writer of preface’? Weinreich’s dictionary gives both ‘foreword’ and ‘preface’ as translations of </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;">הקדמה</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>.</span></p><p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;"><br></span></p><p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px;"><em><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;">Unfortunately RDA does not provide us in their glossary with definitions of either term (a glaring omission on their part if they are going to ask us to differentiate between the two) so I went to the OED for definitionsL</span></em></p><p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px;"><strong><em><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;">Preface: </span></em></strong></p><p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px;"><em><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;">The introduction to a literary work, usually stating its subject, purpose, scope, method, etc.; (in modern use also) spec. an introductory note, often of a personal nature, written by the author and distinguished from a foreword and an introduction.</span></em></p><p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px;"><strong><em><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;">Introduction: </span></em></strong></p><p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px;"><em><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;"> A preliminary explanation prefixed to or included in a book or other writing; the part of a book which leads up to the subject treated, or explains the author's design or purpose. Also, the corresponding part of a speech, lecture, etc.</span></em></p><p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px;"><em><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;"> </span></em></p><p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', sans-serif;">There’s been some interesting discussion on the RDA list about the fact that there is now no distinction between ‘editor’ and ‘editor of compilation’ on the one hand, but on the other hand RDA maintains these tiny distinctions regarding writers of supplementary text!</span></p></div><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" data-mce-style="color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><em><span style="font-size: small;" data-mce-style="font-size: small;">Yes, I completely agree. I am quite distressed that we no longer have "editor of compilation" which was a very useful relationship designator and which is quite distinct from "editor" and then they parse out the more general "<span class="bold">writer of <a name="hit" class="mceItemAnchor"></a><span class="searchhit">supplementary</span> textual content"</span></span></em></p><h3 id="eid159169"><em><span class="numbering" style="font-size: small;" data-mce-style="font-size: small;"><strong></strong></span></em><br></h3><p class="MsoNormal"><br></br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">Vanessa</p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">Vanessa Freedman</p><p class="MsoNormal">Hebrew & Jewish Studies Librarian</p><p class="MsoNormal">UCL Library Services</p><p class="MsoNormal">University College London</p><p class="MsoNormal">Gower Street</p><p class="MsoNormal">London WC1E 6BT</p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">Tel (Mon, Thu, Fri): +44 (0)20 7679 2598 (Internal ext. 32598)</p><p class="MsoNormal">Tel (Tue, Wed): +44 (0)20 7679 3873 (Internal ext. 33873)</p><p class="MsoNormal">Fax: +44 (0) 20 7679 7373</p><p class="MsoNormal">E-mail: <a href="mailto:v.freedman@ucl.ac.uk" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:v.freedman@ucl.ac.uk"><span style="color:windowtext" data-mce-style="color: windowtext;">v.freedman@ucl.ac.uk</span></a></p><p class="MsoNormal">Twitter: @UCLHJSLibrary @vrfreedman</p><p class="MsoNormal">Website: <a href="http://www.ucl.ac.uk/library" target="_blank" data-mce-href="http://www.ucl.ac.uk/library"><span style="color:windowtext" data-mce-style="color: windowtext;">www.ucl.ac.uk/library</span></a></p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">**Please remember the environment and only print this if necessary**</p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>Heb-naco mailing list<br>Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu<br>https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco<br></div><div><br><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div><span name="x"></span>Heidi G. 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