<html><body><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>Dear Barry,</div><div><br></div><div>As a NACO contributor via the Hebrew NACO Funnel you are able to submit subject heading proposals and changes to existing headings. I can work with you on these if you have not had much experience.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Based on current rules in the Subject Heading Manual I would create 1 new heading and modify the existing heading (sh 85079260) for Maccabees.<br><br></div><div>I. New record:<em>. </em>According to the SHM H 1574 Dynasties, Royal Houses, Etc: <br></div><div><em><span class="BoldItalic">Form and usage of headings.</span><span data-mce-style="font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; display: inline;" style="font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; display: inline;"></span><span data-mce-style="font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; display: inline;" style="font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; display: inline;"> Establish named dynasties as straight phrase headings consisting of the adjectival form of the name of the dynasty and the English word </span><span data-mce-style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none; display: inline;" style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none; display: inline;">dynasty</span><span data-mce-style="font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; display: inline;" style="font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; display: inline;">. Do not use the vernacular equivalent of the word </span><span data-mce-style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none; display: inline;" style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none; display: inline;">dynasty</span><span data-mce-style="font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; display: inline;" style="font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; display: inline;">. Add whenever possible the span of years of a particular dynasty. Tag these headings </span><span data-mce-style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none; display: inline;" style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none; display: inline;"><a class="Jump LoCLink" title="100" target="_parent" href="http://desktop.loc.gov/search?view=document&doc_action=setdoc&doc_keytype=foliodestination&doc_key=maauth100&hash=100&fq=coreresources%7Ctrue" data-mce-href="http://desktop.loc.gov/search?view=document&doc_action=setdoc&doc_keytype=foliodestination&doc_key=maauth100&hash=100&fq=coreresources%7Ctrue">100</a></span><span data-mce-style="font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; display: inline;" style="font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; display: inline;">, with <a class="Jump LoCLink" title="X00SPACEindPERIODSPACE1SPACEDASHSPACE3" target="_parent" href="http://desktop.loc.gov/search?view=document&doc_action=setdoc&doc_keytype=foliodestination&doc_key=maauthX00SPACEindPERIODSPACE1SPACEDASHSPACE3&hash=X00SPACEindPERIODSPACE1SPACEDASHSPACE3&fq=coreresources%7Ctrue" data-mce-href="http://desktop.loc.gov/search?view=document&doc_action=setdoc&doc_keytype=foliodestination&doc_key=maauthX00SPACEindPERIODSPACE1SPACEDASHSPACE3&hash=X00SPACEindPERIODSPACE1SPACEDASHSPACE3&fq=coreresources%7Ctrue">first indicator </a></span><a class="Jump LoCLink" title="X00SPACEindPERIODSPACE1SPACEDASHSPACE3" target="_parent" href="http://desktop.loc.gov/search?view=document&doc_action=setdoc&doc_keytype=foliodestination&doc_key=maauthX00SPACEindPERIODSPACE1SPACEDASHSPACE3&hash=X00SPACEindPERIODSPACE1SPACEDASHSPACE3&fq=coreresources%7Ctrue" data-mce-href="http://desktop.loc.gov/search?view=document&doc_action=setdoc&doc_keytype=foliodestination&doc_key=maauthX00SPACEindPERIODSPACE1SPACEDASHSPACE3&hash=X00SPACEindPERIODSPACE1SPACEDASHSPACE3&fq=coreresources%7Ctrue"><span data-mce-style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none; display: inline;" style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none; display: inline;">3</span></a><span data-mce-style="font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; display: inline;" style="font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; display: inline;"> and second indicator </span><span data-mce-style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none; display: inline;" style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none; display: inline;"></span><span data-mce-style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none; display: inline;" style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none; display: inline;">blank</span></em><span style="font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; display: inline;" data-mce-style="font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; display: inline;"></span><span style="font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; display: inline;" data-mce-style="font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; display: inline;"></span></div><div><br></div><div>You can thus establish the form: Hasmonean dynasty:<br></div><div>for your supporting 670s you can use the 1st 670 in the existing record for Maccabees and then add a 2nd and 3rd 670 for:<br></div><div><br></div><div> Encyclopedia Britannica, viewed online May 6, 2015$b(Hasmonean Dynasty; alternate title: Hasmonaen ynasty; ynasty of ancient <a data-ytrk="/548" href="http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/307117/Judaea" data-mce-href="http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/307117/Judaea"><span href="http://semantic.britannica.com/accepted_headword/core/307117/Judaea" data-mce-href="http://semantic.britannica.com/accepted_headword/core/307117/Judaea">Judaea</span></a>, descendants of the <a data-ytrk="/548" href="http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/353829/Maccabees" data-mce-href="http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/353829/Maccabees"><span href="http://semantic.britannica.com/accepted_headword/core/353829/Maccabees" data-mce-href="http://semantic.britannica.com/accepted_headword/core/353829/Maccabees">Maccabee</span></a> family. The name derived (according to Josephus, in <em>The Antiquities of the Jews</em>) from the name of their ancestor Hasmoneus (Hasmon), or Asamonaios. In 143 (or 142) <span class="bps-small-text">bc</span> <a class="mceItemAnchor" name="ref131756" id="ref131756"></a><a data-ytrk="/548" href="http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/545222/Simon-Maccabeus" data-mce-href="http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/545222/Simon-Maccabeus"><span href="http://semantic.britannica.com/accepted_headword/core/545222/Simon-Maccabeus" data-mce-href="http://semantic.britannica.com/accepted_headword/core/545222/Simon-Maccabeus">Simon Maccabeus</span></a>, son of <a data-ytrk="/548" href="http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/369625/Mattathias" data-mce-href="http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/369625/Mattathias"><span href="http://semantic.britannica.com/accepted_headword/core/369625/Mattathias" data-mce-href="http://semantic.britannica.com/accepted_headword/core/369625/Mattathias">Mattathias</span></a> (and brother of Judas Maccabeus), succeeded his brother Jonathan as leader of the Maccabean revolt against the Seleucid dynasty. He soon became independent of the Seleucids as <a data-ytrk="/548" href="http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/265328/high-priest" data-mce-href="http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/265328/high-priest"><span href="http://semantic.britannica.com/accepted_headword/core/265328/high-priest" data-mce-href="http://semantic.britannica.com/accepted_headword/core/265328/high-priest">high priest</span></a>, ruler, and ethnarch of Judaea; the offices were hereditary, and Simon thus became the first of the Hasmonean dynasty. He was succeeded by his son <a data-ytrk="/548" href="http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/305011/John-Hyrcanus-I" data-mce-href="http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/305011/John-Hyrcanus-I"><span href="http://semantic.britannica.com/accepted_headword/core/305011/John-Hyrcanus-I" data-mce-href="http://semantic.britannica.com/accepted_headword/core/305011/John-Hyrcanus-I">John Hyrcanus I</span></a>, <a data-ytrk="/548" href="http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/34424/Aristobulus-I" data-mce-href="http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/34424/Aristobulus-I"><span href="http://semantic.britannica.com/accepted_headword/core/34424/Aristobulus-I" data-mce-href="http://semantic.britannica.com/accepted_headword/core/34424/Aristobulus-I">Aristobulus I</span></a>, Alexander Jannaeus and his widow Salome Alexandra, <a data-ytrk="/548" href="http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/34426/Aristobulus-II" data-mce-href="http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/34426/Aristobulus-II"><span href="http://semantic.britannica.com/accepted_headword/core/34426/Aristobulus-II" data-mce-href="http://semantic.britannica.com/accepted_headword/core/34426/Aristobulus-II">Aristobulus II</span></a>, <a data-ytrk="/548" href="http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/305017/John-Hyrcanus-II" data-mce-href="http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/305017/John-Hyrcanus-II"><span href="http://semantic.britannica.com/accepted_headword/core/305017/John-Hyrcanus-II" data-mce-href="http://semantic.britannica.com/accepted_headword/core/305017/John-Hyrcanus-II">John Hyrcanus II</span></a>, and the last Hasmonean, Antigonus, who was deposed and executed by the Romans under <a data-ytrk="/548" href="http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/28832/Mark-Antony" data-mce-href="http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/28832/Mark-Antony"><span href="http://semantic.britannica.com/accepted_headword/core/28832/Mark-Antony" data-mce-href="http://semantic.britannica.com/accepted_headword/core/28832/Mark-Antony">Mark Antony</span></a>)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Wikipedia, viewed May 6, 2015$b(Hasmonean dynasty; חשמונאים = [Ḥashmonaʾim in Heb.]; was the ruling dynasty of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judea" title="Judea" data-mce-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judea">Judea</a> and surrounding regions during <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_antiquity" title="Classical antiquity" data-mce-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_antiquity">Classical antiquity</a>. Between c.<span style="white-space: nowrap;" data-mce-style="white-space: nowrap;"> 140</span> BC and c.<span style="white-space: nowrap;" data-mce-style="white-space: nowrap;"> 116</span> BC, the dynasty ruled semi-autonomously from the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seleucids" title="Seleucids" class="mw-redirect" data-mce-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seleucids">Seleucids</a> in the region of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judea" title="Judea" data-mce-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judea">Judea</a>. From 110 BC, with the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seleucid_empire" title="Seleucid empire" class="mw-redirect" data-mce-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seleucid_empire">Seleucid empire</a> disintegrating, the dynasty became fully independent, expanded into the neighbouring regions of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galilee" title="Galilee" data-mce-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galilee">Galilee</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iturea" title="Iturea" data-mce-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iturea">Iturea</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perea_%28Bible%29" title="Perea (Bible)" class="mw-redirect" data-mce-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perea_%28Bible%29">Perea</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idumea" title="Idumea" class="mw-redirect" data-mce-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idumea">Idumea</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaria" title="Samaria" data-mce-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaria">Samaria</a>, and took the title "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basileus" title="Basileus" data-mce-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basileus">basileus)</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>I would also add a 500 see also reference for "Maccabees, The".<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>II. Second existing record (modification)<br></div><div>1. I would change the heading of Maccabees to Maccabees, The; add a see also reference to Hasmonean dynasty.<br></div><div>2. I would add a 3rd 670 for: Jewish Encyclopedia, viewed online May 6, 2016$b(Maccabees, The; Name given to the Hasmonean family. Originally the designation "Maccabeus" (Jerome, "Machabæus") was applied solely to Judas, the third son of Mattathias the Hasmonean (I Macc. ii. 4, iii. 1, <i>et passim</i>), Mattathias' other sons having different surnames; but as Judas became the leader of the party after his father's death, and as he was also the most heroic warrior, his surname was applied not only to all the descendants of Mattathias, but even to others who took part in the revolutionary movement under the leadership of the Hasmoneans. Hence the title "Books of the Maccabees:<br></div><div><br></div><div>Also please note that the rules for establishing family names have changed under RDA but not quite as Aaron suggested. Please see the document: in the RDA toolkit LC-PCC PS 10.0<br></div><div><br></div><div>This is my understanding of how to respond to your quesiton. Others, if you have different ideas please continue the conversation.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best, Heidi<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" data-mce-style="color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Aaron Kuperman" <akup@loc.gov><br><b>To: </b>heb-naco@lists.osu.edu<br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, May 6, 2015 6:20:24 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Heb-NACO] Maccabees/Hasmoneans<br><div><br></div><style><!--
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--></style><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">LCSH usually goes with popular misnomers (e.g. use of the “Antisemitism” and “Philosemitism” even though the terms have nothing to do with the semitic language family), and popular usage identifies the Hasmoneans as the Maccabees. However families are in theory now to be established in the NAF under RDA, but no one seems to be too anxious to address the implications of this (I checked the Windsors, Romanovs and Hapsburgs and they are still in LCSH). However it does seem logical given the bias of subject cataloging to meeting user expectations, to use a well known albeit wrong term.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Aaron Kuperman, LC Law Cataloging Section. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">This is not an official communication from my employer</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in" data-mce-style="border: none; border-top: solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" data-mce-style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" data-mce-style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Barry Walfish<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 06, 2015 5:23 AM<br><b>To:</b> heb-naco@lists.osu.edu<br><b>Subject:</b> [Heb-NACO] Maccabees/Hasmoneans</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt" data-mce-style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black" data-mce-style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; color: black;">Dear Safranim,<br></span></p><div><br></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt" data-mce-style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black" data-mce-style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; color: black;">I just noticed that Maccabees is an authorized subject heading, with Hasmoneans a see ref to it.<br>This seems wrong to me. Maccabees and Hasmoneans are not equivalent. The Hasmoneans were around for 103 years as rulers of Judea. The Maccabees were Judah and his brothers who were around as leaders for about 20 years.<br>So all Maccabees were Hasmoneans, but not all Hasmoneans were Maccabees.<br>It would be easiest to flip the two headings, but it's true that most of the literature deals with the Maccabees and their rebellion. <br>Is this something that could be sent to the Subject Headings committee for review?<br></span></p><div><br></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt" data-mce-style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black" data-mce-style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; color: black;">Best,<br></span></p><div><br></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt" data-mce-style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black" data-mce-style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; color: black;">Barry</span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black" data-mce-style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; color: black;"><br>Barry Dov Walfish, Ph.D.<br>Judaica Specialist<br>University of Toronto Libraries <br>Toronto, ON M5S 1A5<br>Canada</span></p></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>Heb-naco mailing list<br>Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu<br>https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco<br></div><div><br><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div><span name="x"></span>Heidi G. Lerner<br>Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica<br>Metadata Development Unit<br>Stanford University Libraries<br>Stanford, CA 94305-6004<br>e-mail: lerner@stanford.edu<br>ph: 650-725-9953<br>fax: 650-725-1120<br><span name="x"></span><br></div></div></body></html>