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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Sooooo right !!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Yossi Galron<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 22, 2014 12:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] generic name title authorities?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What a waste of time, energy and computer bits.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So does it mean that we need to prepare an Authority record for each booklet of poetry that Joe Smith is publishing every Monday and Thursday with a preferred [i.e. Uniform] title: "Poems. Selections (year, month, day)" ?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Isn't easier just to have the title of the compilation [i.e. book]?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Long live the growing backlogs ....<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yossi<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger<br>
E-Mail: <a href="mailto:galron.1@osu.edu" target="_blank">galron.1@osu.edu</a> or
<a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgalron@gmail.com</a><br>
Tel.: (614) 292-3362, Fax: (614)292-1918<br>
Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: <a href="http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit" target="_blank">
http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Heidi G Lerner <<a href="mailto:lerner@stanford.edu" target="_blank">lerner@stanford.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Hi Bob,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Yes, example 1 was the practice under AACR2 and is incorrect in RDA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">The rules have changed in RDA. According to RDA 6.4:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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name of a person, family, or corporate body. <a href="http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdarev201204&target=r201204-102#r201204-102" target="_blank">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">According to appendix E 1.2.5:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><em><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">(In the case of sacred works we precede the year of publication of a sacred scripture by a full stop and a space)</span></em><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">So under RDA the second and third examples are each considered different works. I just had this situation the other day, see below:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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040 CSt-HC ǂb eng ǂe rda ǂc CSt-HC ǂd CSt<br>
1001 Someck, Ronny. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2012)<br>
4001 Someck, Ronny. ǂt Agam ha-barbaruim<br>
670 Someck, Ronny. Agam ha-barbaruim, 2012.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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040 CSt-HC ǂb eng ǂe rda ǂc CSt-HC ǂd CSt-HC<br>
1001 Someck, Ronny. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2014)<br>
4001 Someck, Ronny. ǂt Roni Someḳ seriṭah be-marpeḳ ha-shirah<br>
670 Someck, Ronny. Roni Someḳ seriṭah be-marpeḳ ha-shirah, 2014.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Note that LC and PCC practice require that catalogers add date to any conventional collective title that begins with Works even if we don't need to break conflict.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Best, Heidi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">"Robert M. TALBOTT" <<a href="mailto:rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu" target="_blank">rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"Hebrew Name Authority Funnel" <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, October 21, 2014 4:41:54 PM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Heb-NACO] generic name title authorities?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">I just ran into an RDA name title authority set up for two works, to wit<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">[name]. $t Poems. $k Selections<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">I was under the impression that the above was a thing of the past and that RDA insisted upon the following:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">record 1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Am I wrong? Are both situations possible? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<pre><span style="color:black">Bob Talbott<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="color:black">Principal cataloger/Hebraica cataloger<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="color:black">UC Berkeley<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="color:black">250 Moffitt<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="color:black">Berkeley, CA 94720<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span style="color:black">We're happy as fish,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="color:black">as gorgeous as geese,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="color:black">and wonderfully clean in the morning.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#888888">Heidi G. Lerner<br>
Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica<br>
Metadata Development Unit<br>
Stanford University Libraries<br>
Stanford, CA 94305-6004<br>
e-mail: <a href="mailto:lerner@stanford.edu" target="_blank">lerner@stanford.edu</a><br>
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