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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">There seems to be a typo in that heading. It should be ha-Rofe without the h. In the first line of the article that’s the way it is.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Barry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Heidi G Lerner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> September 15, 2014 4:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] ha-rofe? (Physician)? ha-Rofe? Something else?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Hi Neil,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Thank you very much for your comments. I think that your recommendation to include the form found as is in the Encyclopedia of Jewish in the Islamic World, "</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Jacob
ben Joseph,|cha-Rofeh,|d -1851"</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> is very valid, and after reviewing the situation with my supervisor who is also a NACO trainer we are both very comfortable in having this form added as a
xref. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">So Bob, here is how I think the NAR should look<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">100 0
</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Jacob ben Joseph,|d -1851</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Jacob ben Joseph,|cha-Rofeh,|d -1851</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">400 0 </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Harofe, Ya</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math","serif";color:black">ʻ</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">aḳov
ben Yosef,|d -1851</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">400 0 Ya</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria Math","serif";color:black">ʻ</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">aḳov ben Yosef,|d 1851<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">400 0 Jacob ben Joseph ben Jawb,|d -1851<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">and of course a 670 for the Encycloepdia of the Jews in Islamic Countries and a revision of the 670 for the Encyclopedia Judaica; and please request BFM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Let me know if you have further questions or comments.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Thanks, Heidi<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">"Neil Manel Frau-Cortes" <<a href="mailto:nfrau@umd.edu">nfrau@umd.edu</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"Hebrew Name Authority Funnel" <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Monday, September 15, 2014 5:04:09 AM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Heb-NACO] ha-rofe? (Physician)? ha-Rofe? Something else?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">I really don’t agree. It is fine if you don’t want it as the main entry. However, if the Encyclopedia of Jews in the Islamic World and other sources call
him ha-Rofe (capitals or not), what do you gain by suppressing it all together from the cross-references? Your rules will be well served, your users perhaps not so much.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="color:black">Neil M. Frau-Cortes, Ph.D.</span></b><span style="color:black"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">University of Maryland<br>
College Park, MD 20742<br>
Phone (301) 405-9337</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Heb-naco
[<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu">mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Heidi G Lerner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 5:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] ha-rofe? (Physician)? ha-Rofe? Something else?</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">the usage in
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ספר שמן טוב </span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>= is "<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">בכר</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>"
according to OCLC. So actually the romanization would be b.k. in the statement of responsibility
</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">The patronymic particle "b." is always given in full when used in a personal-name heading. Care must
always be taken to distinguish the patronymic particle "b." from "B." as an abbreviation.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">So the 4th cross reference should be:</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Jacob ben Joseph,|cha-Rofeh,|d -1851</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">and the 5th xref should be:</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Harofe, Ya</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math","serif";color:black">ʻ</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">aḳov
ben Yosef,|d -1851</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">ha-rofe should not be added to these xrefs</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Thanks, Heidi</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">"Rachel Simon" <<a href="mailto:rsimon@Princeton.EDU" target="_blank">rsimon@Princeton.EDU</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"Hebrew Name Authority Funnel" <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>>,
<a href="mailto:rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu" target="_blank">rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Friday, September 12, 2014 1:17:23 PM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Heb-NACO] ha-rofe? (Physician)? ha-Rofe? Something else?</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Shouldn't this
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Ya</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria Math","serif";color:black">ʻ</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">aḳov Bekhar Yosef,
</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria Math","serif";color:black">ǂ</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">c ha-rofe<br>
really be <br>
Ya</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria Math","serif";color:black">ʻ</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">aḳov b.k. ha-R. Yosef,
</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria Math","serif";color:black">ǂ</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">c ha-rofe</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Rachel<br>
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From: Heb-naco [heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu] on behalf of Heidi G Lerner [lerner@stanford.edu]<br>
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 3:50 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu" target="_blank">rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu</a>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] ha-rofe? (Physician)? ha-Rofe? Something else?</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Hi Bob,<br>
First of all this heading was established incorrectly under AACR2 and also the 2nd 670 was not formulated correctly. We only use the romanized form if the name found in the EJ If the name is found as the heading for an article about the person. In this case
the romanized form is found in v.12, page 899. This information should be recorded in the 2nd 670 and the systematically romanized Hebrew form of the name found in the resource cited in the first 670 should be the heading, with the EJ form being the xref.<br>
That being said, as part of your recoding the NAR the first thing I would do is look at the Hebrew form and determine how to correctly formulate according to RDA.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">What you have currently is:</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Bekhar Yosef, </span><span style="font-family:"Cambria Math","serif";color:black">ǂ</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">c ha-rofe</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">So now we look at your original question to determine if "ha-rofe" is a title or not.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">I would go first go to RDA 9.4.1.1 which tells us that<br>
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Title of the person▼<<a href="http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdagloss&target=rdagloss-1956#rdagloss-1956" target="_blank">http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdagloss&target=rdagloss-1956#rdagloss-1956</a>> is a word or phrase indicative
of royalty, nobility, or ecclesiastical rank or office, a term of address for a person of religious vocation, or another term indicative of rank, honour, or office.<br>
Title of the person excludes terms of address that simply indicate gender or marital status (e.g., Mr., Mrs.)."</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">"Record other titles of the person indicative of rank, honour, or office if the terms appear with the name. Record
the term in the language in which it was conferred or in the language used in the country in which the person resides."</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">I checked to see if "ha-rofe" is used as a designation of rank, office or honour. I looked in the Jewish Encyclpoedia
(1904) and it did not appear in the article "Title of Honor."</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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I looked him up in the Encylcopedia of Jews in the Islamic World and in article with his name at the head (Jacob ben Joseph ha-Rofeh) says that he was a dayan and rabbinic scholar in Baghdad but nothing about being a doctor. He died Oct. 5. 1851.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Up through the Middle Ages Jews generally used forenames but with different types of designations appended to them
(place of birth, occupation), etc. and surnames did to really come into use in until the 18th and 19th centuries. Certainly "ha-rofe" [the doctor] was an occupation that Jews engaged in for centuries.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">I personally do not consider "ha-rofe" a surname and we know that Ya</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria Math","serif";color:black">ʻ</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">aḳov
Bekhar Yosef was not a doctor.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">So, my thought is to establish him as:<br>
Jacob ben Joseph,|d -1851 (based on the romanized form found in the Encyclopedia of Jews in the Islamic World): I have chosen this form since we are in the process of recoding and reevaluating the heading, thus we should refer to he Encyclopedia of Jews in
the Islamic World as pe LC-PCC-PS 9.2.2.5.3; although ha-Rofe is part of the name in the article about him, it is very difficult to consider or decide if ha-Rofe is a term indicative of rank, honor or office, an addition those types of terms are not core elements;
it is not an occupation since we know he was not a doctor</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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So, my thought is to establish him as:<br>
Jacob ben Joseph,|d -1851</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">I would hame cross-references from:</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">400 1 Harofeh, Jacob ben Joseph,|d -1851<br>
400Yosef, Ya</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria Math","serif";color:black">ʻ</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">akov Bekhar,|d -1851<br>
400 0 Jacob ben Joseph ben Jawb ,|d -1851<br>
400 0 Ya</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria Math","serif";color:black">ʻ</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">aḳov Bekhar Yosef,|d -1851<br>
400 1 Harofe, Ya</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria Math","serif";color:black">ʻ</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">aḳov Bekhar Yosef,|d -1851</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">I am eager to hear others' thoughts.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Thanks, Heidi</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Subject: [Heb-NACO] ha-rofe? (Physician)? ha-Rofe? Something else?</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Hi folks:</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">I have a question about capitalization treating an after-name title. I'd like to get a bit of feedback before stepping
off into the abyss.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Anyhow:</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">I'd like to upgrade to RDA the record with the heading Jacob ben Joseph ben Jawb, $c ha-rofe (OCLC AR 475823), but
sadly the record is one requiring review before using in an RDA record. Predictably, the rub is how to treat "ha-Rofe." I suppose one could read it as the equivalent of something like "$c (Physician)" though on the surface I'd favor reading it as a title of
some sort. But since the type of title sways the capitalization rules (RDA A.31), what sort of a title is it? One might very well assume it's a professional title (RDA A.11.5.4), resulting in "$c ha-rofe. " If one squints hard enough, I suppose one of the
other options could work, but that's a stretch in my estimation when one looks at the options available in RDA A.11.5.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">My concern here is that I may be missing something obvious or otherwise. Please advise.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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