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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks, Heidi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hope you and Joan will consider adding this clarification to the manual. Benjamin <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> heb-naco-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu [mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Heidi G Lerner<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 19, 2014 5:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Creating authorized access points for liturgical works with uncertain dates<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi Benjman,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Dates are used as additions to differentiate between one work and another different work with the same title. (RDA 6.4). These follow the title and are enclosed in parentheses. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>They are also used as additions to religious works when needed to differentiate between different expressions or editions [RDA 6.24]. These dates go in a delimiter "f" and are preceded by a "." (RDA Appendix E.1.1).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks, Heidi<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center id=zwchr></span></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>"Benjamin Fryser" <<a href="mailto:bfry@loc.gov">bfry@loc.gov</a>><br><b>To: </b>"Hebrew Name Authority Funnel" <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a>><br><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:lerner@stanford.edu">lerner@stanford.edu</a>, "Joan Biella (<a href="mailto:jbiella2632@gmail.com">jbiella2632@gmail.com</a>)" <<a href="mailto:jbiella2632@gmail.com">jbiella2632@gmail.com</a>>, "Aaron Taub" <<a href="mailto:atau@loc.gov">atau@loc.gov</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, May 19, 2014 11:56:49 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>RE: [Heb-NACO] Creating authorized access points for liturgical works with uncertain dates<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The library of Congress adds dates (in $f position) to 130 or 730 authorized bible headings only. It does <b>not </b>routinely add a dates to Jewish liturgical works such as Haggadah, Siddur, etc. <i>unless</i> required to break a conflict. In case of the later, see RDA </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red'>6.30.1.7 </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>and </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red'>6.27.1.9. </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The date and any additional term you choose to differentiate the works are separated from each other by : and all are enclosed in a single pair of parentheses. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>This is not an official communication of the library of Congress. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Benjamin Fryser</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>ASME IJ Section</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Library of Congress</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>m:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces+bfry=loc.gov@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">heb-naco-bounces+bfry=loc.gov@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces+bfry=loc.gov@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">mailto:heb-naco-bounces+bfry=loc.gov@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rini Goldsmith<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 19, 2014 9:49 AM<br><b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br><b>Cc:</b> Rachel Eaton<br><b>Subject:</b> [Heb-NACO] Creating authorized access points for liturgical works with uncertain dates</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Shalom all,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The National Library of Israel has begun creating RDA records. In the past, we usually added the date of publication to the authorized access points for liturgical works. When a date was not known, we approximated the date in the 130 and added a 730 indicating that the date of publication was unknown.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>($a Haggada shel Pesah. $l English. $f 19--? $g London) </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> ($a Haggada shel Pesah. $l English. $f n.d. $g London).</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> 130 ( </span><span dir=RTL></span><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span dir=RTL></span>(הגדה של פסח. אמהרית. תשנ"-. ירושלים</span><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span dir=LTR></span> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>730 ( </span><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>הגדה של פסח. אמהרית. ח"ש. ח"מ</span><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span dir=LTR></span>) </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I have not found in the RDA Toolkit explicit instructions how to record uncertain dates in access points. It seems that 6.4.1.3 is the appropriate instruction but no examples are given. Due to the quantity of sifre kodesh in our collections, it is important for us to continue recording access points with this information. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This week we created an RDA record for a braille Haggada:</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>130 $a Haggada shel Pesah. $l English (Braille). $f [between 1950 and 1959?]. $$gNew York</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>246 1 $a [New York] : $b Published by I. Rokeach and Sons in cooperation with the New York Guild for the Jewish Blind, $c [between 1950 and 1959?].</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>730 $aHaggada shel Pesah. $l English (Braille). $f Without date of publication. $g Without place of publication</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And another record for an undated Hebrew Haggada</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>הגדה של פסח. תשכ"-. ירושלים. גור 130 </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>264 1 </span><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>ירושלים : גור, [תשכ"ה בערך] </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>264 3 </span><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>דפוס סיון</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>730 </span><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>הגדה של פסח. חסרה שנת הוצאה. ירושלים</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Heidi and other experienced RDA cataloguers, are these access points legal? </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for your input.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span 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