<html><body><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><p style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';" data-mce-style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';">Dear Rini,</span></p><p style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';" data-mce-style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';"> </span></p><p style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';" data-mce-style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';">I looked in both the RDA Toolkit and the MARC Format to see if there were any guidelines on formulation of dates to liturgical headings (a practice that, as Benjamin has pointed out, neither the PCC nor LC follow). However, the addition of a date to a religious work such as Bible is a core element for differentiation at the expression level (6.24.1). Guidelines for recording a date of expression are found in RDA and LC-PCC PS 6.10.3. The minimal guidelines that are there do not appear to answer your question.</span></p><p style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';" data-mce-style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';"> </span></p><p style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';" data-mce-style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';">The only documentation that I have found that provides related instructions of recording dates when differentiating between editions is from LCRI 25.8. Also, guidelines on how to record dates that are uncertain are found in the MARC Authority Format for the 046 field “delimiter k” which tells us to use the $2edtf [Extended Date Time Format].</span></p><p style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';" data-mce-style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';"> </span></p><p style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';" data-mce-style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';">I queried my colleagues in my unit and they did not know of any documentation.</span></p><p style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';" data-mce-style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';"> </span></p><div><span style="font-size: 12.0pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';" data-mce-style="font-size: 12.0pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';">It appears that this situation was overlooked by the authors and editors of the RDA Toolkit.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12.0pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';" data-mce-style="font-size: 12.0pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12.0pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';" data-mce-style="font-size: 12.0pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';">Best, Heidi<br></span></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Rini Goldsmith" <marina.goldsmith@nli.org.il><br><b>To: </b>"Hebrew Name Authority Funnel" <heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu><br><b>Cc: </b>"Rachel Eaton" <Rachel.Eaton@nli.org.il><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, May 19, 2014 6:48:41 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>[Heb-NACO] Creating authorized access points for liturgical works with uncertain dates<br><div><br></div><style><!--
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--></style><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Shalom all,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The National Library of Israel has begun creating RDA records. In the past, we usually added the date of publication to the authorized access points for liturgical works. When a date was not known, we approximated the date in the 130 and added a 730 indicating that the date of publication was unknown.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> ($a Haggada shel Pesah. $l English. $f 19--? $g London) </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> ($a Haggada shel Pesah. $l English. $f n.d. $g London).</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> 130 ( </span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="HE"><span dir="RTL"></span>(הגדה של פסח. אמהרית. תשנ"-. ירושלים</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span dir="LTR"></span> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">730 ( </span><span dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="HE">הגדה של פסח. אמהרית. ח"ש. ח"מ</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span dir="LTR"></span>) </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> I have not found in the RDA Toolkit explicit instructions how to record uncertain dates in access points. It seems that 6.4.1.3 is the appropriate instruction but no examples are given. Due to the quantity of sifre kodesh in our collections, it is important for us to continue recording access points with this information. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This week we created an RDA record for a braille Haggada:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">130 $a Haggada shel Pesah. $l English (Braille). $f [between 1950 and 1959?]. $$gNew York</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">246 1 $a [New York] : $b Published by I. Rokeach and Sons in cooperation with the New York Guild for the Jewish Blind, $c [between 1950 and 1959?].</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">730 $aHaggada shel Pesah. $l English (Braille). $f Without date of publication. $g Without place of publication</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">And another record for an undated Hebrew Haggada</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="HE">הגדה של פסח. תשכ"-. ירושלים. גור 130 </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">264 1 </span><span dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="HE">ירושלים : גור, [תשכ"ה בערך]</span><span dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="HE"> </span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">264 3 </span><span dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="HE">דפוס סיון</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">730 </span><span dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="HE">הגדה של פסח. חסרה שנת הוצאה. ירושלים</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Heidi and other experienced RDA cataloguers, are these access points legal? </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks for your input.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Riny </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> 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