<html><body><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>It does not show up on Stanford's FirstSearch either.<br></div><div>This might be a bug at OCLC's end. You might test a few other records that use 264 instead of 260 and see if it is a recurring problem.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Uri Kolodney" <kolodney@austin.utexas.edu><br><b>To: </b>"Hebrew Name Authority Funnel" <heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu><br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, October 25, 2013 7:29:15 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Heb-NACO] 264 in RDA - publisher not identified<br><div><br></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thank you. I wonder, does it show on your end on FirstSearch?</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Manuel Frau-Cortes<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 25, 2013 9:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] 264 in RDA - publisher not identified</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This may have to do with what your institution filters out on the public display of FirstSearch. You may want to talk with your systems persons.</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kolodney, Uri<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 25, 2013 9:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel; Heidi G Lerner<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] 264 in RDA - publisher not identified</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">See for example 824522432. The Hebrew 264 does not display on the public view of OCLC (WorldCat). Once one adds an additional Hebrew 260, it does show up. So
it means that the Hebrew 264 has some display compatibility issues, I think…</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kolodney, Uri<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 24, 2013 4:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Heidi G Lerner<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] 264 in RDA - publisher not identified</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I'm not at my desk at the moment, so will send an example tomorrow morning.<br>
Thanks,<br>
Uri <br>
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<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Sent: </span>
</b><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="AR-SA"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">10/</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="AR-SA"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">24/</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="AR-SA"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">2013
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<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">To: </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a href="mailto:kolodney@austin.utexas.edu" target="_blank">Kolodney, Uri</a></span><br>
<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Cc: </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu" target="_blank">Hebrew Name Authority Funnel</a></span><br>
<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Subject: </span>
</b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Re: [Heb-NACO] 264 in RDA - publisher not identified</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Hi, my comments were made with regard to OCLC Connnexion and not the WorldCat view. I am not sure why things would be different though.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">"Uri Kolodney" <<a href="mailto:kolodney@austin.utexas.edu" target="_blank">kolodney@austin.utexas.edu</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"Heidi G Lerner" <<a href="mailto:lerner@stanford.edu" target="_blank">lerner@stanford.edu</a>>, "Hebrew Name Authority Funnel" <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, October 24, 2013 2:38:06 PM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [Heb-NACO] 264 in RDA - publisher not identified</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Great, thanks!<br>
Now, regarding the instance of records with both 264 and 260 - is this because of display issues? I noticed that the transliterated 264 does not show up on WorldCat view. Is this so?<br>
Thanks,<br>
Uri <br>
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Sent from my Windows Phone</span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:lerner@stanford.edu" target="_blank">Heidi G Lerner</a></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
</span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Sent:
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</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu" target="_blank">Hebrew Name Authority Funnel</a></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
</span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Cc:
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:kolodney@austin.utexas.edu" target="_blank">Kolodney, Uri</a></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">We use [publisher not identified] in both romanized and Hebrew script fields. RDA 1.4 tell us which following elements to record in the language and script in which they appear
on the sources from which they are taken. It then goes on to tell us "Record all other elements (including notes) in a language and script, or languages and scripts, preferred by the agency creating the data.".Generally, most North American libraries and all
PCC libraries use English as the preferred language.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Best, Heidi</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">"Uri Kolodney" <<a href="mailto:kolodney@austin.utexas.edu" target="_blank">kolodney@austin.utexas.edu</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"Hebrew Name Authority Funnel" <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, October 24, 2013 12:57:35 PM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Heb-NACO] 264 in RDA - publisher not identified</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Could someone please help me clarify the correct form of the sub-field b in 264 in RDA when there is no publisher?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I see different versions and managed to get confused.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I know it should be [publisher not identified], but what do I put in the transliterated field? The same wording in English? Or maybe the good old “s.n.” or
maybe “motsi la-or eno mezuheh” ? </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks,</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:dascheide@gmail.com" target="_blank">dascheide@gmail.com</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 21, 2013 7:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Keter Aram Tsoveh</span></p>
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On Aug 21, 2013, at 6:38 PM, Judith Zupnick <<a href="mailto:judiezup@msn.com" target="_blank">judiezup@msn.com</a>> wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">What/who is the Keter Aram Tsoveh? And should it be capitalized (in the Romanization} as follows? :<br>
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" 'al pi ha-mesorah Keter Aram Tsoveh"<br>
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Thanks!</span></p>
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