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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Yes, in Yiddish, it would be dray --
three; in this case the word is Hebraicized English (or Hinglish)
-- drai, as in yavesh.<br>
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On 10/21/2013 1:01 PM, Yossi Galron wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Jasmin
<div>If דריי (three) is in Yiddish - shouldn't it be Dray?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 12:19 PM,
Jasmin Nof <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>Except that 'ai' is the romanization used for when
the vocalization preceding the yod is a patah; here the
romanization preceding the yod is a tsere. ALA-LC
romanization calls for 'e' in such cases. So, yes, דריי
is Drai, but if you romanize קוקטייל as koktail, you
imply that the two words are rhymes, which they clearly
are not.
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On 10/21/2013 11:33 AM, Robert M. TALBOTT wrote:<br>
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<div>Folks:</div>
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<div>The way I would habve approached the data</div>
<div>24510 [vernacular double yud form from tp]</div>
<div>24510 Drai matini kotail</div>
<div>2463 [vernacular single yud form from ESh</div>
<div>2463 Drai martini koktel</div>
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<div>The reason why this is causing so much trouble
is that in our romanization scheme, double yud
represents either "ai," the default form, or a XyX
where the yud has a degesh (I honestly can't think
of any instances where double yud represent a
non-dageshed yud hauling a tsere or a segol, but I
could be wrong). So, for my money the best way to
treat would be to transcribe what's on the piece
according to usual practice (koktail; add a [sic]
if you're still using AACR2) and to add the ESh
form as an add title.</div>
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<div>My opnion is my own, and I defer to Those Who
Know.</div>
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<div>Bob</div>
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8:18 AM, Jasmin Nof <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>So in other words, I ought to add a 24633
for קוקטיל?<br>
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On 10/21/2013 8:14 AM, Elhanan Adler wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Fyi</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Standard
Israeli practice today is to add
24633s for title in alternate ketiv
since, for example the reader usually
has no idea if the dictionary he is
looking for is titled</span></p>
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style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"></span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"
dir="rtl" lang="HE">מלון</span><span
dir="ltr"></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><span
dir="ltr"></span><span dir="ltr"></span>
or </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"
dir="rtl" lang="HE">מילון</span></p>
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style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';COLOR:windowtext;FONT-SIZE:10pt">From:</span></b><span
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jasmin Nof<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 18,
2013 10:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Heidi G Lerner; Jasmin
Nof<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Hebrew Name Authority
Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO]
romanization of <span dir="rtl"
lang="HE">קוקטייל</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">ok, so i just fixed
the 245 to koktel (with appropriate
diacritics) and deleted the extraneous
246. thanks for your prompt response!<br>
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On 10/18/2013 3:45 PM, Heidi G Lerner
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">Oops,
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I read the e-mail too oquickly
about the tsere. I was thinking
that it appeared on the
resource. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">No,
to the best of my knowledge
incorrect romanizations should
not be as added in 246s. The
LC-PCC PS for 2.3.6.3 offers
guidelines and best practices
for making variant titles for
permutations related to the
title proper. There is no
discussion onrecording variant
or incorrect transliterations
(unless found somewhere on the
resource). Maher discusses
alternative romanizations in
Hebraica Cataloging but only in
regards to providing alternative
romanizations as references to
Hebraica names.</span></p>
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