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<div>The way I would habve approached the data</div>
<div>24510 [vernacular double yud form from tp]</div>
<div>24510 Drai matini kotail</div>
<div>2463 [vernacular single yud form from ESh</div>
<div>2463 Drai martini koktel</div>
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<div>The reason why this is causing so much trouble is that in our romanization scheme, double yud represents either "ai," the default form, or a XyX where the yud has a degesh (I honestly can't think of any instances where double yud represent a non-dageshed yud hauling a tsere or a segol, but I could be wrong). So, for my money the best way to treat would be to transcribe what's on the piece according to usual practice (koktail; add a [sic] if you're still using AACR2) and to add the ESh form as an add title.</div>
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<div>My opnion is my own, and I defer to Those Who Know.</div>
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<div>Bob</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Jasmin Nof <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jnof@upenn.edu" target="_blank">jnof@upenn.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>So in other words, I ought to add a 24633 for קוקטיל?<br><br>On 10/21/2013 8:14 AM, Elhanan Adler wrote:<br></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Standard Israeli practice today is to add 24633s for title in alternate ketiv since, for example the reader usually has no idea if the dictionary he is looking for is titled<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 18, 2013 10:54 PM<br><b>To:</b> Heidi G Lerner; Jasmin Nof<br><b>Cc:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of <span dir="rtl" lang="HE">קוקטייל</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">ok, so i just fixed the 245 to koktel (with appropriate diacritics) and deleted the extraneous 246. thanks for your prompt response!<br><br>On 10/18/2013 3:45 PM, Heidi G Lerner wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">Oops, <br>I read the e-mail too oquickly about the tsere. I was thinking that it appeared on the resource. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">No, to the best of my knowledge incorrect romanizations should not be as added in 246s. The LC-PCC PS for 2.3.6.3 offers guidelines and best practices for making variant titles for permutations related to the title proper. There is no discussion onrecording variant or incorrect transliterations (unless found somewhere on the resource). Maher discusses alternative romanizations in Hebraica Cataloging but only in regards to providing alternative romanizations as references to Hebraica names.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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