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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My Even Shoshan shows tsere and not segol, but the word remains METARIM nonetheless. Clifford Miller<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> heb-naco-bounces+clmiller=jtsa.edu@lists.service.ohio-state.edu [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+clmiller=jtsa.edu@lists.service.ohio-state.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert M. TALBOTT<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:39 AM<br><b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] strings!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Goodmorning Manuel<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I took a quick peek in Maher, and he pretty much confirms what I thought when I read your question: the assumption that the "e" romanization is intended only for instances of yud as mater lectionis is wrong (as far as the romanization scheme goes). <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I quote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>'Occasionally confusion may arise with the treatment of yod. In such cases, the yod in Hebrew is romanized as a "y" only when it is followed by a vowel ... ' P.12 o' the online edition<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thus, as far as our romanization scheme goes the mater lectionis-ness of yud is irrelevant. What matters is whether or not it's followed by a vowel. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>My two cents, always with a grain of salt. I defer to Those Who Know.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>B<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Manuel Frau-Cortes <<a href="mailto:nfrau@umd.edu" target="_blank">nfrau@umd.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I have a question regarding the Romanization of the word <span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>מיתרים</span><span dir=LTR></span><span lang=CA><span dir=LTR></span>. The vowel under mem is a segol, followed by a yud, so it should be “metarim,” which is the solution</span> I found in all LC records.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>However the segol + yud rule is intended to be applied to cases where the yud is a mater lectionis, while in the word <span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>מיתר</span><span lang=HE dir=RTL> </span><span lang=CA>the yud is a radical. As Even-Shoshan says, it derives from </span><span lang=HE dir=RTL style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>יתר</span><span dir=LTR></span><span lang=CA><span dir=LTR></span>.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=CA> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=CA>What to do in a case like that? If there are any native Hebrew speakers among us, do you pronounce this yud?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b> </b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b>Neil M. Frau-Cortes</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hebraica Cataloger<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>McKeldin Library<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>University of Maryland<br>College Park, MD 20742<br>Phone (301) 405-9337<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="http://nfrau@umd.edu" target="_blank">nfrau@umd.edu</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Heb-naco mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">Heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a><br><a href="https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco" target="_blank">https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><pre>Bob Talbott<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Hebraica Cataloger<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>UC Berkeley<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>250 Moffitt<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Berkeley, CA 94720<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>We're happy as fish,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>as gorgeous as geese,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>and wonderfully clean in the morning.<o:p></o:p></pre></div></div></div></body></html>