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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Of course I meant tsere
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">Neil M. Frau-Cortes</span></b><span style="color:black"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Hebraica Cataloger<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">McKeldin Library<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">University of Maryland<br>
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Phone (301) 405-9337<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><a href="nfrau@umd.edu">nfrau@umd.edu</a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> heb-naco-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu [mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Cliff Miller<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 17, 2013 12:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] strings!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My Even Shoshan shows tsere and not segol, but the word remains METARIM nonetheless. Clifford Miller<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces+clmiller=jtsa.edu@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">
heb-naco-bounces+clmiller=jtsa.edu@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces+clmiller=jtsa.edu@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">mailto:heb-naco-bounces+clmiller=jtsa.edu@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert M. TALBOTT<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] strings!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Goodmorning Manuel<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I took a quick peek in Maher, and he pretty much confirms what I thought when I read your question: the assumption that the "e" romanization is intended only for instances of yud as mater lectionis is wrong (as far as the romanization
scheme goes). <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I quote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">'Occasionally confusion may arise with the treatment of yod. In such cases, the yod in Hebrew is romanized as a "y" only when it is followed by a vowel ... ' P.12 o' the online edition<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thus, as far as our romanization scheme goes the mater lectionis-ness of yud is irrelevant. What matters is whether or not it's followed by a vowel. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My two cents, always with a grain of salt. I defer to Those Who Know.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">B<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Manuel Frau-Cortes <<a href="mailto:nfrau@umd.edu" target="_blank">nfrau@umd.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I have a question regarding the Romanization of the word
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">מיתרים</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="CA"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>. The vowel under mem is a segol, followed by a yud, so it should be
“metarim,” which is the solution</span> I found in all LC records.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">However the segol + yud rule is intended to be applied to cases where the yud is a mater lectionis, while in the word
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">מיתר</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL">
</span><span lang="CA">the yud is a radical. As Even-Shoshan says, it derives from
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">יתר</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="CA"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="CA"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="CA">What to do in a case like that? If there are any native Hebrew speakers among us, do you pronounce this yud?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b> </b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b>Neil M. Frau-Cortes</b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hebraica Cataloger<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">McKeldin Library<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">University of Maryland<br>
College Park, MD 20742<br>
Phone (301) 405-9337<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a href="http://nfrau@umd.edu" target="_blank">nfrau@umd.edu</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>Bob Talbott<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Hebraica Cataloger<o:p></o:p></pre>
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