<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">Vanessa Freedman set up those links, so I suggest you ask her or, better yet, just try to log in and see what happens! I believe they were set up for a fixed length of time, though.<br><br>Joan<br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Judith Zupnick <judiezup@msn.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 25, 2013 1:59 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Sefer Kohelet 'im
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<div><div dir="ltr">Thank you. Do I still have access to the RDA Toolkit in the link you sent the participants of the RDA Hebraica e-forum now that the e-forum is over?<br> <br><div><hr id="yiv611557408stopSpelling">Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 08:27:23 -0700<br>From: lerner@stanford.edu<br>To: heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu<br>Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Sefer Kohelet 'im perush Ibn 'Ezra<br><br><style><!--
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--></style><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;">Hi Judith,<br><br>I agree with Neil's directions (the 2nd example under Ibn Ezra is an AACR2 heading). I encourage you to look at the discussion on commentary's in RDA and accompanying LCPS's. In this case it appears that Kohelet is presented as a new edition of the original work and is accompanied by 2 commentaries (1 named and 1 unnamed)<br><br>RDA 27.1.6 tells us:<br><br>If the work is presented simply as an edition of the previously existing
work, treat it as an expression of that work. Use the authorized access
point representing the previously existing work. If it is considered
important to identify the particular expression, construct an authorized
access point representing the expression as instructed at <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv611557408a yiv611557408ecxrdalink yiv611557408ecxmref" target="_blank" href="http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp6&target=rda6-7055#rda6-7055">6.27.3<img class="yiv611557408ecxrdalink" alt="" height="13" width="31"></a>. In this case Kohelet is the "previously exisiting work" and in the MARC environment will go in the 130 field. The RDA instructions for setting up sacred works such as the Bible can be found RDA 6.23.2.5 and 6.23.9.2. <br><br>You have the option of adding access points for the commentaries. The first commentary is a named work so you cou make a 700 name/title access point for that work. The 2nd commentary is unnamed so you can make an authorized access point for M.S. Goodman and to clarify his role, add a relationship designator for writer of added commentary.<br><br>The Tanakh and its individual books are classed in the range
BS715-BS1675.6<br><br>Best, Heidi<br><br><hr id="yiv611557408ecxzwchr"><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none;"><b>From: </b>"Manuel Frau-Cortes" <nfrau@umd.edu><br><b>To: </b>"Hebrew Name Authority Funnel" <heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu><br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, July 25, 2013 7:00:09 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Heb-NACO] Sefer Kohelet 'im perush Ibn 'Ezra<br><br>
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<div class="yiv611557408ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";font-size:11pt;">Hi,</span></div>
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<div class="yiv611557408ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";font-size:11pt;">I guess you could use:</span></div>
<div class="yiv611557408ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";font-size:11pt;">130 0 Bible $p Ecclesiastes.</span></div>
<div class="yiv611557408ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";font-size:11pt;">630 0 Bible $p Ecclesiastes. $v Commentaries.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv611557408ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";font-size:11pt;">These two are also established:</span></div>
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<div class="yiv611557408ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";font-size:11pt;">Ibn Ezra, Abraham ben Meïr, ǂd 1092-1167. ǂt Perush ʻal Neviʼim u-Khetuvim
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<div class="yiv611557408ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";font-size:11pt;">Ibn Ezra, Abraham ben Meïr, ǂd 1092-1167. ǂt Perush Ibn ʻEzra ʻal Shir ha-shirim. ǂl English & Hebrew</span></div>
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<div class="yiv611557408ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";font-size:11pt;">(The one for Kohelet is not established yet).</span></div>
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<div class="yiv611557408ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";font-size:11pt;">Kol tuv,</span></div>
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<div class="yiv611557408ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black;">Neil M. Frau-Cortes</span></b><span style="color:black;"><br>
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<div class="yiv611557408ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma", "sans-serif";font-size:10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma", "sans-serif";font-size:10pt;"> heb-naco-bounces+nfrau=umd.edu@lists.service.ohio-state.edu [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+nfrau=umd.edu@lists.service.ohio-state.edu]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 25, 2013 7:58 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Heb-NACO] Sefer Kohelet 'im perush Ibn 'Ezra</span></div>
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<div class="yiv611557408ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";">I am cataloging the book Sefer Kohelet 'im perush Ibn 'Ezra. It has explanations by M.S. Goodman. I do not want to put either Goodman or Ibn 'Ezra in the 100 field; I will but them in 700
fields. Should I make a 130 field and should it read : <br>
Kohelet ('Im perush Ibn 'Ezra)? Is this a correct uniform (preferred) title? Can one say "'<b><span class="yui_3_7_2_78_1374766698767_131" style="font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";">Im</span></b> perush..." in brackets?<br>
And, as a rule, should the Cutter in a book that begins with Sefer be taken from the second word in the title, which is the first word of the uniform title, when there is a uniform title and no author main entry?<br>
Alternatively, can this book be cataloged simply with a 245 00? (without a uniform title)? And if so, would the Cutter be taken from the first word (Sefer) or from the second word (Kohelet) in the 245 field?</span></div>
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