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<font size="+1"><font face="Arial Unicode MS">NACO catalogers, <br>
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Adding birth dates in access points that</font></font> have
death date only is a valid option now.<br>
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--Joanna<br>
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<td>Re: [PCCLIST] Incomplete dates in personal name access
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Mary Charles, </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">For the same
reason(s) you might optionally add a death date to an open
birth date in an authorized access point, you can optionally
add a birth date to an open death date in an authorized
access point. These are two exceptions to the general NACO
principle that changes are not made to an authorized access
points unless the authorized access point contains an error.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The LC-PCC PS
to document this will be published on July 9, but it is ok
to apply the option now. </span><span style="color:#1F497D"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Paul</span></p>
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Program for Cooperative Cataloging [<a href="mailto:PCCLIST@LISTSERV.LOC.GOV" target="_blank">mailto:PCCLIST@LISTSERV.LOC.GOV</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lasater, Mary Charles<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 05, 2013 10:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:PCCLIST@LISTSERV.LOC.GOV" target="_blank">PCCLIST@LISTSERV.LOC.GOV</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PCCLIST] Incomplete dates in
personal name access points</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Has there been
any further discussion on this?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I just ran into
the authority record for </span><span class="hithighlite"><span lang="EN">Breece</span></span><span lang="EN"> D'J <span class="hithighlite">Pancake</span> who died in 1979. I
added his birth info to the 046 field, but would really like
to ‘complete’ his dates in the 100 field of the authority
record. The information was readily available. I am
currently reviewing the loads of the modified Phase 2
records and ‘running into’ many records that could be
changed. I am sure others are as well. By delaying a
decision to add birth and well as death dates, we are
missing an opportunity to make our AAPs more complete.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN">Mary Charles Lasater</span><span style="color:#1F497D"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Program for Cooperative Cataloging [<a href="mailto:PCCLIST@LISTSERV.LOC.GOV" target="_blank">mailto:PCCLIST@LISTSERV.LOC.GOV</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Reser, Dave<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 02, 2013 5:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:PCCLIST@LISTSERV.LOC.GOV" target="_blank">PCCLIST@LISTSERV.LOC.GOV</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PCCLIST] Incomplete dates in
personal name access points</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">That's an
excellent question, Ryan-- we were talking about that very
question here at LC yesterday! We decided it was time to
move that question on to a consultation stage with the
PCC/SCS and OCLC, but with the PCC Operations Committee
meeting here today and tomorrow, we just haven't had a
chance. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks for
raising it,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Dave Reser</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">LC PSD</span></p>
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Program for Cooperative Cataloging [<a href="mailto:PCCLIST@LISTSERV.LOC.GOV" target="_blank">mailto:PCCLIST@LISTSERV.LOC.GOV</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Finnerty, Ryan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 02, 2013 5:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:PCCLIST@LISTSERV.LOC.GOV" target="_blank">PCCLIST@LISTSERV.LOC.GOV</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Incomplete dates in personal name access
points</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi PCC-List,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We’ve been allowed for some time to add
death dates to access points that only have an open birth date
(there are tons more of these now that “b.” has been
eliminated), so are we allowed to extend this thinking further
and add the birth year to an access point if it only has the
death year? (there are also tons of these now with the
elimination of “d.”)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In this example the birth year is already
right there in the 670. I’d like to add it because the
authorized access point just looks incomplete to me, but I
realize that this would have ramifications for data
management, OCLC’s closed dates list (would it catch these?),
etc. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">010 n 81104301 </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">040 DLC <span style="font-family:"Lucida Sans
Unicode","sans-serif"">ǂ</span>b eng <span style="font-family:"Lucida Sans
Unicode","sans-serif"">ǂ</span>e rda <span style="font-family:"Lucida Sans
Unicode","sans-serif"">ǂ</span>c DLC <span style="font-family:"Lucida Sans
Unicode","sans-serif"">ǂ</span>d OCoLC <span style="font-family:"Lucida Sans
Unicode","sans-serif"">ǂ</span>d DLC</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">046 <span style="font-family:"Lucida
Sans Unicode","sans-serif"">ǂ</span>g 1654</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">1001 Fabritius, Carel, <span style="font-family:"Lucida Sans
Unicode","sans-serif"">ǂ</span>d -1654</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">4001 Fabricius, Karel, <span style="font-family:"Lucida Sans
Unicode","sans-serif"">ǂ</span>d -1654</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">4001 Fabritius, Carel, <span style="font-family:"Lucida Sans
Unicode","sans-serif"">ǂ</span>d d. 1654 <span style="font-family:"Lucida Sans
Unicode","sans-serif"">ǂ</span>w nnea</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">4001 Fabritius, Carolus, <span style="font-family:"Lucida Sans
Unicode","sans-serif"">ǂ</span>d -1654</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">4001 Fabritius, Karel, <span style="font-family:"Lucida Sans
Unicode","sans-serif"">ǂ</span>d -1654</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">670 Encyc. brit., 1972 <span style="font-family:"Lucida Sans
Unicode","sans-serif"">ǂ</span>b (hdg.:
Fabritius, Carel (Carel [Carolus] Pietersz) 1622-1654)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">What do you all think?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:gray">Ryan J. Finnerty </span><span style="color:black">|</span><span style="color:gray"> Head,
Database Management & NACO Coordinator</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#4F6228">UC San Diego
Library </span><span style="color:#1F497D">|</span><span style="color:#4F6228"> Metadata Services Department</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#4F81BD"><a href="mailto:rfinnerty@ucsd.edu" target="_blank">rfinnerty@ucsd.edu</a></span><span style="color:#1F497D"> | </span><span style="color:#4F81BD">(858)
822-3138</span></p>
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