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my colleague at umd (where i fondly recall having access to <span
dir="RTL" lang="HE">(àðöé÷ìåôãéä äòáøéú</span> was able to find
the information below. thanks, neil! hope it's helpful, bob.
thank goodness for the 246!<br>
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best wishes and çâ ùîç, jasmin<br>
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<td>Manuel Frau-Cortes <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nfrau@umd.edu"><nfrau@umd.edu></a></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span dir="RTL"
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="HE">òìæåæ</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="CA"><span dir="LTR"></span> doesn’</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">t
appear in the Entsiklopedyah. I looked for versions of
Alsace, but both are spelled with aleph, that is
</span><span dir="RTL"
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="HE">àìæñ</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="CA"><span dir="LTR"></span> and
</span><span dir="RTL"
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="HE">àìæàñ</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span
dir="LTR"></span>, the last one being the Yiddish regular
spelling. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
only reference I found to
</span><span dir="RTL"
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="HE">òìæåæ</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="CA"><span dir="LTR"></span> anywhere is in this book:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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href="http://books.google.com/books?id=OQUVAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA1357&lpg=PA1357&dq=%D7%91%D7%A2%D7%9C%D7%96%D7%95%D7%96&source=bl&ots=DkmFQimX0z&sig=kqukmhC2wlSZb2dZIrAhJNgJxII&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BYmSUdnQKdHh4AOx44HADw&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%D7%91%D7%A2%D7%9C%D7%96%D7%95%D7%96&f=false">http://books.google.com/books?id=OQUVAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA1357&lpg=PA1357&dq=%D7%91%D7%A2%D7%9C%D7%96%D7%95%D7%96&source=bl&ots=DkmFQimX0z&sig=kqukmhC2wlSZb2dZIrAhJNgJxII&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BYmSUdnQKdHh4AOx44HADw&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%D7%91%D7%A2%D7%9C%D7%96%D7%95%D7%96&f=false</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As you can see, it relates Elzuz with
Kolmar. Since Colmar is in fact in Alsace, it is safe to say
that Elzuz is Alsace. A possible linguistic explanation of
this strange spelling is that in fact in Alsatian dialect, the
place is pronounced Elsas, with open E (like in <i>bed</i>)
and open A (like in <i>palm</i>). See in Wikipedia: <a
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<p class="MsoNormal">Therefore, one could romanize it as 'Elzoz.<span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Neil M. Frau-Cortes</b><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hebraica
Cataloger<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">McKeldin Library<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">University
of Maryland<br>
College Park, MD 20742<br>
Phone (301) 405-9337<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Jasmin Nof [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:jnof@upenn.edu">mailto:jnof@upenn.edu</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Manuel Frau-Cortes<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Fwd: Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization: ayin
lamed zayin vav zayin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">hi there, sadly penn moved its <span
dir="RTL" lang="HE">àðöé÷ìåôãéä äòáøéú</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span
dir="LTR"></span> to offsite storage many years ago
<snif>, but i fondly remember using the encyclopedia set
that was on the first floor in the reference stacks
(ae30.e5). do you mind going to check if there's an entry for
<span dir="RTL" lang="HE">òìæåæ</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span
dir="LTR"></span>, and if so, how it's vocalized?<br>
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thanks and best wishes for a <span dir="RTL" lang="HE">çâ ùîç</span><span
dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>! jasmin
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<p class="MsoNormal">Tue, 14 May 2013 10:26:35 -0700<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <a
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<heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Hi
Bob,<br>
<br>
Off-hand I cannot think of an Hebrew-language gazetters
for places outside of Israel but it might appear in
<span dir="RTL" lang="HE">àðöé÷ìåôãéä äòáøéú</span><span
dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> which may
have vocalized headings. I don't have it readily
accessible but I am sure that one of our safranim
colleagues will have a copy at hand.<br>
<br>
Also you can check Atlas le-toldot am Yisrael (1965)<br>
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Good luck, Heidi<br>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">"Robert
M. TALBOTT"
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<b>To: </b>"Hebrew Name Authority Funnel" <a
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<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, May 14, 2013 9:59:32 AM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Heb-NACO] Romanization: ayin lamed
zayin vav zayin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">1) I
have a sad little seder selihot here at my
desk and it purports to be ke-minhag [ayin
lamed zayin vav zayin]. One the one hand, I'm
pretty sure that string of letters refers to
Alsace. On the other, I can only guess at how
it's vocalized. OCLC has "Elzuz" but I
suspect this is not the 'droid I was looking
for. Please, if you have clue (and you just
might!) let me know before I have to guess.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">2)
Hebrew language gazetteers for a place other
than Israel. Surely they must exist. If anyone
has a recommendation, I'd be grateful.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<pre>Bob Talbott<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Hebraica Cataloger<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>UC Berkeley<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>250 Moffitt<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Berkeley, CA 94720<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>We're happy as fish,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>as gorgeous as geese,<o:p></o:p></pre>
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