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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">oops, that was meant to be
"prEposition". i'm not in favor of proposing based on
propositions... <span class="moz-smiley-s3"><span> ;-) </span></span><br>
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happy friday!<br>
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On 5/3/2013 12:14 PM, Jasmin Nof wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">just to strengthen the proposition
proposal, a few more verses with מני from תהילים, none of which
make mention of an instrument:<br>
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<b>יט:כג</b> כִּי כָל-מִשְׁפָּטָיו לְנֶגְדִּי; וְחֻקֹּתָיו,
לֹא-אָסִיר מֶנִּי. =<br>
<b>23</b> For all His ordinances were before me, and I put not
away His statutes from me.<br>
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מד:יא: תְּשִׁיבֵנוּ אָחוֹר, מִנִּי-צָר; וּמְשַׂנְאֵינוּ,
שָׁסוּ לָמוֹ = <br>
<b>11</b> Thou makest us to turn back from the adversary; and
they that hate us spoil at their will.<br>
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מד:יא: לֹא-נָסוֹג אָחוֹר לִבֵּנוּ; וַתֵּט אֲשֻׁרֵינוּ, מִנִּי
אָרְחֶךָ. = <br>
<b>19</b> Our heart is not turned back, neither have our steps
declined from Thy path;<br>
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(and 7 others...) jasmin<br>
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On 5/3/2013 11:59 AM, Jasmin Nof wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">i'm not so sure, heidi. looking at
other places in appears in tanakh (searching the word מני in
מאגר ספרות הקודש, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://kodesh.snunit.k12.il/cgi-bin/kodesh/search_adv.pl?search=%D7%9E%D7%A0%D7%99">http://kodesh.snunit.k12.il/cgi-bin/kodesh/search_adv.pl?search=%D7%9E%D7%A0%D7%99</a>)
and looking at the translations of the found verses at מכון
ממרא, it appears to be a preposition. e.g.<br>
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1. שופטים פרק ה:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://kodesh.snunit.k12.il//i/t/t0705.htm#14"> פסוק
י"ד</a>: מִנִּי אֶפְרַיִם, שָׁרְשָׁם {ר} בַּעֲמָלֵק, {ס}
אַחֲרֶיךָ בִנְיָמִין, בַּעֲמָמֶיךָ; {ס} מִנִּי {ר} מָכִיר,
יָרְדוּ מְחֹקְקִים, {ס} וּמִזְּבוּלֻן, מֹשְׁכִים בְּשֵׁבֶט
{ר} סֹפֵר. {ס} =<br>
<b>14</b> Out of Ephraim came they whose root is in Amalek;
after thee, Benjamin, among thy peoples; out of Machir came
down governors, and out of Zebulun they that handle the
marshal's staff.<br>
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<p>2. ישעיה פרק כב: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://kodesh.snunit.k12.il//i/t/t1022.htm#4">פסוק ד</a>:
עַל-כֵּן אָמַרְתִּי שְׁעוּ מִנִּי, אֲמָרֵר בַּבֶּכִי;
אַל-תָּאִיצוּ לְנַחֲמֵנִי, עַל-שֹׁד בַּת-עַמִּי =<br>
<b>4</b> Therefore said I: 'Look away from me, I will weep
bitterly; strain not to comfort me, for the destruction of
the daughter of my people.'<br>
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3. ישעיהו פרק ל<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://kodesh.snunit.k12.il//i/t/t1030.htm#1">: פסוק
א</a>: הוֹי בָּנִים סוֹרְרִים, נְאֻם-יְהוָה, לַעֲשׂוֹת
עֵצָה וְלֹא מִנִּי, וְלִנְסֹךְ מַסֵּכָה וְלֹא
רוּחִי--לְמַעַן סְפוֹת חַטָּאת, עַל-חַטָּאת. =</p>
<p><b>1</b> Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD,
that take counsel, but not of Me; and that form projects,
but not of My spirit, that they may add sin to sin;<br>
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<p>hence, i'd go with mi-ni, as in, "from Me are you made
glad". this doesn't match the translation of מכון ממרא for
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תהלים מד:9: מֹר-וַאֲהָלוֹת קְצִיעוֹת, כָּל-בִּגְדֹתֶיךָ;
מִן-הֵיכְלֵי שֵׁן, מִנִּי שִׂמְּחוּךָ,=<br>
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<p><b>9</b> Myrrh, and aloes, and cassia are all thy garments;
out of ivory palaces stringed instruments have made thee
glad, </p>
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but it does match this translation: <br>
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"Myrrh and aloes, and cassia, are all your garments, [more
splendid] than ivory palaces are Mine that will make you
rejoice." (sorry, can't find the source of the
translation. it's at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.dailytehillim.com/Default.aspx?Perek=45">http://www.dailytehillim.com/Default.aspx?Perek=45</a>)<br>
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<p>שבת שלום, jasmin<br>
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<p>On 5/3/2013 11:15 AM, Heidi G Lerner wrote:<br>
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font-size: 12pt; color: #000000">My thought is that it is
"mini" [since?] and not "mi-ni". Even-Shoshan says that it
is a poetical form often used in Tanakh.<span
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Heidi<br>
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</b>"Yossi Galron" <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>To: </b>"heb-naco" <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Sent: </b>Friday, May 3, 2013 7:57:12 AM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Heb-NACO] Psalms 45, 9: Mini simhukha<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Colleagues
<div>I have a commentary on some Masekhtot. The title is
ספר מני שמחוך and the source of the title is from
Tehilim, 45:9</div>
<div style="">My question is about the first word: is it
Mini or Mi-ni (in other words: is the Mem an
article?) </div>
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<div style="">Thanks for your insights</div>
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