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</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">îðé</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span dir="LTR"></span> under the preposition
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">îï</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span dir="LTR"></span> and says that it
is a poetic form of the preposition with the old </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">é</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span dir="LTR"></span>
of the genitive.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jasmin Nof<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 03, 2013 12:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Psalms 45, 9: Mini simhukha<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">oops, that was meant to be "prEposition". i'm not in favor of proposing based on propositions...
<span class="moz-smiley-s3">;-) </span><br>
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happy friday!<br>
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On 5/3/2013 12:14 PM, Jasmin Nof wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">just to strengthen the proposition proposal, a few more verses with
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">îðé</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> from
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">úäéìéí</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>, none of which make mention of an instrument:<br>
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<b><span lang="HE" dir="RTL">éè:ëâ</span></b><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ëÌÄé ëÈì-îÄùÑÀôÌÈèÈéå ìÀðÆâÀãÌÄé</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>;
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">åÀçË÷ÌÉúÈéå</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>,
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ìÉà-àÈñÄéø îÆðÌÄé</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>. =<br>
<b>23</b> For all His ordinances were before me, and I put not away His statutes from me.<br>
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<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">îã:éà: úÌÀùÑÄéáÅðåÌ àÈçåÉø, îÄðÌÄé-öÈø</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>;
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">åÌîÀùÒÇðÀàÅéðåÌ</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>,
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ùÑÈñåÌ ìÈîåÉ</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> =
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<b>11</b> Thou makest us to turn back from the adversary; and they that hate us spoil at their will.<br>
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<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">îã:éà: ìÉà-ðÈñåÉâ àÈçåÉø ìÄáÌÅðåÌ</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>;
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">åÇúÌÅè àÂùÑËøÅéðåÌ, îÄðÌÄé àÈøÀçÆêÈ</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>. =
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<b>19</b> Our heart is not turned back, neither have our steps declined from Thy path;<br>
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(and 7 others...) jasmin<br>
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On 5/3/2013 11:59 AM, Jasmin Nof wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">i'm not so sure, heidi. looking at other places in appears in tanakh (searching the word
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">îðé</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> in
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">îàâø ñôøåú ä÷åãù</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>,
<a href="http://kodesh.snunit.k12.il/cgi-bin/kodesh/search_adv.pl?search=%D7%9E%D7%A0%D7%99">
http://kodesh.snunit.k12.il/cgi-bin/kodesh/search_adv.pl?search=%D7%9E%D7%A0%D7%99</a>) and looking at the translations of the found verses at
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">îëåï îîøà</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>, it appears to be a preposition. e.g.<br>
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1. <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ùåôèéí ôø÷ ä</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>:<a href="http://kodesh.snunit.k12.il/i/t/t0705.htm#14">
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ôñå÷ é</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>"<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ã</span></a><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>:
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">îÄðÌÄé àÆôÀøÇéÄí, ùÑÈøÀùÑÈí</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> {<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ø} áÌÇòÂîÈìÅ÷</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>,
{<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ñ</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>}
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">àÇçÂøÆéêÈ áÄðÀéÈîÄéï, áÌÇòÂîÈîÆéêÈ</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>; {<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ñ</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>}
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">îÄðÌÄé</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> {<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ø} îÈëÄéø</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>,
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">éÈøÀãåÌ îÀçÉ÷À÷Äéí</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>, {<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ñ</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>}
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">åÌîÄæÌÀáåÌìËï, îÉùÑÀëÄéí áÌÀùÑÅáÆè</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> {<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ø} ñÉôÅø</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>.
{<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ñ</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>} =<br>
<b>14</b> Out of Ephraim came they whose root is in Amalek; after thee, Benjamin, among thy peoples; out of Machir came down governors, and out of Zebulun they that handle the marshal's staff.<br>
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<p>2. <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">éùòéä ôø÷ ëá</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>: <a href="http://kodesh.snunit.k12.il/i/t/t1022.htm#4"><span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ôñå÷ ã</span></a><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>:
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">òÇì-ëÌÅï àÈîÇøÀúÌÄé ùÑÀòåÌ îÄðÌÄé, àÂîÈøÅø áÌÇáÌÆëÄé</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>;
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">àÇì-úÌÈàÄéöåÌ ìÀðÇçÂîÅðÄé, òÇì-ùÑÉã áÌÇú-òÇîÌÄé</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> =<br>
<b>4</b> Therefore said I: 'Look away from me, I will weep bitterly; strain not to comfort me, for the destruction of the daughter of my people.'<o:p></o:p></p>
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3. <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">éùòéäå ôø÷ ì</span><span dir="RTL"><a href="http://kodesh.snunit.k12.il/i/t/t1030.htm#1"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>:
</span><span lang="HE">ôñå÷ à</span></a></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>:
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">äåÉé áÌÈðÄéí ñåÉøÀøÄéí, ðÀàËí-éÀäåÈä, ìÇòÂùÒåÉú òÅöÈä åÀìÉà îÄðÌÄé, åÀìÄðÀñÉêÀ îÇñÌÅëÈä åÀìÉà øåÌçÄé--ìÀîÇòÇï ñÀôåÉú çÇèÌÈàú, òÇì-çÇèÌÈàú</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>. =<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b>1</b> Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of Me; and that form projects, but not of My spirit, that they may add sin to sin;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>hence, i'd go with mi-ni, as in, "from Me are you made glad". this doesn't match the translation of
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">îëåï îîøà</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> for
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">úäìéí îã:9: îÉø-åÇàÂäÈìåÉú ÷ÀöÄéòåÉú, ëÌÈì-áÌÄâÀãÉúÆéêÈ</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>;
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">îÄï-äÅéëÀìÅé ùÑÅï, îÄðÌÄé ùÒÄîÌÀçåÌêÈ</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>,=<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b>9</b> Myrrh, and aloes, and cassia are all thy garments; out of ivory palaces stringed instruments have made thee glad, <o:p></o:p></p>
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but it does match this translation: <o:p></o:p></p>
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"Myrrh and aloes, and cassia, are all your garments, [more splendid] than ivory palaces are Mine that will make you rejoice." (sorry, can't find the source of the translation. it's at
<a href="http://www.dailytehillim.com/Default.aspx?Perek=45">http://www.dailytehillim.com/Default.aspx?Perek=45</a>)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ùáú ùìåí</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>, jasmin<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>On 5/3/2013 11:15 AM, Heidi G Lerner wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">My thought is that it is "mini" [since?] and not "mi-ni". Even-Shoshan says that it is a poetical form often used in Tanakh.
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Heidi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>To: </b>"heb-naco" <a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu"><heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu></a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Friday, May 3, 2013 7:57:12 AM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Heb-NACO] Psalms 45, 9: Mini simhukha<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">I have a commentary on some Masekhtot. The title is
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ñôø îðé ùîçåê</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> and the source of the title is from Tehilim, 45:9<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">My question is about the first word: is it Mini or Mi-ni (in other words: is the Mem an article?) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Thanks for your insights<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: <a href="http://hebrewlit.notlong.com" target="_blank">http://hebrewlit.notlong.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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