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Awesome. That's worth printing out and maybe even framing.<br>
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Thank you both for doing bonus duty on this one.<br>
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Cheers<br>
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Bob<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/15/2013 7:27 AM, Biella, Joan
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks,
Heidi, for going the extra mile. Here's my take on the
record:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:4.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:4.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As
Heidi says, this solution treats the title as a
leaves-of-grass ("title by which the work has become
known"), which is why we don't have to use a conventional
collective uniform title "Works. Selections" as we would
have if we were cataloging the first edition under RDA.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:4.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
2nd 246, the 2nd 700 1- and the 2nd 700 12 are all optional,
but we certainly wouldn't want to omit at least the last
one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:4.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
DON'T think it's legal to put "Arabic," the original
language, in the first 700 12--I think the fact that the
original language is Arabic is apparent from the rest of the
description.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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Heidi G Lerner [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:lerner@stanford.edu">mailto:lerner@stanford.edu</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 14, 2013 2:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Biella, Joan<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Robert Talbott; hebnaco<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: hiburim?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I
would take a different approach. Assuming that the three
essays contained have been issued together in earlier
editions I would invoke RDA 6.2.2.10.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Recording<span
class="special-letter"> </span>the Preferred Title
for a Compilation of Works of One Person, Family, or
Corporate Body<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">If
a compilation of works is known by a title that is used
in resources embodying that compilation or in reference
sources, apply the instructions at <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp6&target=rda6-2060#rda6-2060">6.2.2.4</a>–<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp6&target=rda6-2146#rda6-2146"
id="rda6-5002">6.2.2.5<span style="border:solid
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id="_x0000_i1025"
src="cid:part3.07050306.00060704@library.berkeley.edu"
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height="13" width="31"></span></a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Since
the contents were written before 1500 I would then go to
6.2.2.5.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Determine
the title to be used as the preferred title for a work
created before 1501 from modern reference sources. If
the evidence of modern reference sources is
inconclusive, use (in this order of preference): <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">a)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">modern
editions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">b)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div id="rda6-2048">
<div id="rda6-11229">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">early
editions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">c)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div id="rda6-2049">
<div id="rda6-11134">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">manuscript
copies.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Since
the 1870s the compilation of the three works/essays
have been variously issued such under such Hebrew
titles as <br>
<br>
1. Sheloshah sifre diḳduḳ (1870)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">2.
Sheloshah sifre diḳduḳ (1967, reprint of 1870
edition<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">3.
Sheloshet ḥibure ha-diḳduḳ shel r. Yehudah Ḥayugʹ
be-meḳoram ha-ʻArvi uba-targumam le-ʻIvrit ḥadashah
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">We
don't have an Arabic title for the compilation so I
think that we would have to use the Hebrew title. I
would recommend using "Sheloshah sifre diḳduḳ."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Because
this resource contains 2 expressions I would catalog
it in RDA as:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">100
1 Ḥayyuj, Judah ben David, </span><span
style="font-family:"Lucida Sans
Unicode","sans-serif";color:black">ǂ</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">d
ca. 945-ca. 1000,|eauthor.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">245
10 Sheloshet ḥibure ha-diḳduḳ shel r. Yehudah
Ḥayugʹ be-meḳoram ha-ʻArvi uba-targumam le-ʻIvrit
ḥadashah ... <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">700
12 Ḥayyuj, Judah ben David, </span><span
style="font-family:"Lucida Sans
Unicode","sans-serif";color:black">ǂ</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">d
ca. 945-ca. 1000.|tSheloshah sifre diḳduk.|lArabic.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">700
12 Ḥayyuj, Judah ben David, </span><span
style="font-family:"Lucida Sans
Unicode","sans-serif";color:black">ǂ</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">d
ca. 945-ca. 1000.|tSheloshah sifre diḳduk.|lHebrew.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">We
are not required to add the language to the access
point for the work in it its original language, but
I would recommend doing so here since the preferred
title that has been created is not in the language
of the original.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">The
record should also have an access point for the
first or predominant work in the compilation as
prescribed of LC-PCC PS 25.1.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">A
note describing the contents could be useful in this
situation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I
have not dealt with a situation quite like this in
my RDA cataloging workflow before. So i would be
very happy to hear other cataloger's thoughts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">"Joan
Biella" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jbie@loc.gov"><jbie@loc.gov></a><br>
<b>To: </b>"Robert Talbott"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu"><rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu></a>, "Heidi Lerner"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lerner@stanford.edu"><lerner@stanford.edu></a>, "hebnaco"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu"><heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu></a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, February 14, 2013 10:29:56 AM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: hiburim?<br>
<br>
Looks like "Works" to me. When in doubt, use "Works."
I mean, "Works. Selections," usually.<br>
Joan<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Robert Talbott
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu">mailto:rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu</a>] <br>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:08 PM<br>
To: Biella, Joan; Heidi Lerner; hebnaco<br>
Subject: hiburim?<br>
<br>
Ladies, HEB-NACO denizens:<br>
<br>
Regarding the new list of official collective titles, I
have a book in hand with the following title:<br>
<br>
Sheloshet ḥibure ha-diḳduḳ shel R. Yehudah Ḥayugʹ
be-meḳoram ha-ʻArvi uba-targumam le-ʻIvrit ḥadashah<br>
<br>
my q: hibure = essays? works? something else?<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance<br>
<br>
B<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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