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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>The vowels shift as the stress of the word shifts.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:5.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'>kāTAV--stressed on the last syllable (he wrote)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'>kāTAVtī--stressed on the next to last syllable (I wrote)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'>ketavTEM--stressed on the last syllable--notice that the long vowel of the first syllable, when it's two syllables away from the stressed syllable, reduces to sheṿa (you plural wrote)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:5.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'>kāTAVtī--stressed on the next to last syllable (I wrote)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'>ketavTIṾ--stressed on the last syllable--again the long vowel of the first syllable reduces to sheṿa when it's two syllables away from the stressed syllable (I wrote it)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:5.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'>with an initial guttural, ʻarakhTIṾ (I edited it) first vowel is hatef patah, so a ṿaṿ before it will take patah: ṿa-ʻarakhTIṾ (and I edited it)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:5.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'>Yes, no doubt there are errors in all our databases, but think hard before you "correct" them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'>Joan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Jasmin Nof [mailto:jnof@upenn.edu] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 28, 2012 10:33 AM<br><b>To:</b> heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu; Biella, Joan; Jay Rovner; barry.walfish@utoronto.ca<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of the day?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ok, I think I know what happened: 'arikhah is vocalized with a hataf-patah, so <span lang=HE dir=RTL>ועריכה</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span> is vocalized va-'arikhah. You and Barry are right that the pa'al form of <span lang=HE dir=RTL>ערך</span><span lang=HE dir=RTL> </span>is with a kamats, so a simple combo of, say, <span lang=HE dir=RTL>חיבר וערך</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span> would be hiber ve-arakh. Joan, is that right? <br><br>All 18 results of a <span lang=HE dir=RTL>וערך</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span> search in LC's cat bring up "ve-arakh"; a "va-arakh" search retrieves 12 hits, while a "ve-arakh" search retrieves 679 hits. the <span lang=HE dir=RTL>וערכתי</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span> search retrieves 52 hits, a majority of which are romanized "ve-arakhti" with a few exceptions of "va-arakhti". a "va-arakhti" search has 16 hits while "ve-arakhti" has 154 hits. Joan, should the 12 "va-arakh" and 16 "ve-arakhti" titles be fixed?<br><br>Time to check my catalog... <span class=moz-smiley-s1>:-) </span><br><br>Thanks, Jasmin<br><br>On 9/27/2012 6:18 PM, Barry Walfish wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I should think the ayin would be vocalized with a kamats, so I agree with Jay.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Barry</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">heb-naco-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jasmin Nof<br><b>Sent:</b> September 26, 2012 10:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of the day?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>No, a vav that comes before a letter vocalized with a hataf takes that vocalization. In this case, the ayin of arakhti is vocalized with a hataf-patah, so the vav is vocalized with a patah.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Jasmin<br><br>Please pardon typos; sent from my iPod.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Sep 25, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Jay Rovner <<a href="mailto:jarovner@jtsa.edu">jarovner@jtsa.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>It would be v</span><span style='font-size:22.0pt;color:#1F497D'>e</span><span style='color:#1F497D'>-`arakhti, no?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> JR</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Jay Rovner, PhD</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Manuscript Bibliographer</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>The Library of The Jewish Theological Seminary</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>5501 Library</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>3080 Broadway</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>New York City, New York 10027</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>(212) 678-8045</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">heb-naco-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu]">[mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Biella, Joan<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 24, 2012 4:13 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Jasmin Nof'; <a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of the day?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>The whole phrase "ha-Honen le-Adam Da'at" is capped, because it is a name consisting of a phrase, sort of like "She Who Must Be Obeyed," "Father Time," or "Calamity Jane" (AACR2 rule 22.11A). </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Jasmin Nof <a href="mailto:[mailto:jnof@upenn.edu]">[mailto:jnof@upenn.edu]</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 24, 2012 4:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a>; Biella, Joan<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of the day?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I can answer the second one more easily as it comes from the 'amidah: it's le-adam, not la-adam. (why would adam and da'at be capped?)<br><br>I'll look into the <span lang=HE dir=RTL>ער</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span>"<span lang=HE dir=RTL>ח</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span>...<br><br>Jasmin<br><br>On 9/24/2012 2:26 PM, Biella, Joan wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The LCCN is 2011425612 and the title is "Shut Minḥat Avraham."<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:5.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The statement of responsibility says "ḥibartiṿ ṿa-ʻarakhtiv<span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>̣</span> be-ḥesed D. ʻalai uve-ʻezrat ha-H<span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>̣</span>onen la-Adam Daʻat ani ha-tsaʻir ʻer. h<span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>̣</span>. Avraham b.R. Saʻid H<span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>̣</span>amami, y. ts. v<span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>̣</span>."<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:5.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>My question: what is ʻer. h<span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>̣</span>. = <span lang=HE dir=RTL>ער"ח</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span>? Somehow "ʻerev rosh h<span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>̣</span>odesh" doesn't fit the context.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:5.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Bonus question: should it be ha-Ḥonen la-Adam Daʻat or ha-H<span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>̣</span>onen le-Adam Daʻat?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thank you for your collective wisdom.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Joan<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Heb-naco mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">Heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco">https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Heb-naco mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">Heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a><br><a href="https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco">https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Heb-naco mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">Heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco">https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>