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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I didn’t find any examples in the bible concordance with the root
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">ערך</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span dir="LTR"></span>, but did find several
examples with the root </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">עבד</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span dir="LTR"></span>
(ayin bet dalet), all of which have vav with patah (Deut. 15:12, Jer. 34:14, Ex. 21:6, etc.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Jerry Anne<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> heb-naco-bounces+geraldine.dickel=yale.edu@lists.service.ohio-state.edu
[mailto:heb-naco-bounces+geraldine.dickel=yale.edu@lists.service.ohio-state.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Biella, Joan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 28, 2012 11:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Hebrew Name Authority Funnel'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of the day?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";color:windowtext">The vowels shift as the stress of the word shifts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"">kāTAV--stressed on the last syllable (he wrote)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"">kāTAVtī--stressed on the next to last syllable (I wrote)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"">ketavTEM--stressed on the last syllable--notice that the long vowel of the first syllable, when it's two syllables away from the stressed syllable, reduces to sheṿa
(you plural wrote)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"">kāTAVtī--stressed on the next to last syllable (I wrote)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"">ketavTIṾ--stressed on the last syllable--again the long vowel of the first syllable reduces to sheṿa when it's two syllables away from the stressed syllable (I wrote
it)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"">with an initial guttural, ʻarakhTIṾ (I edited it) first vowel is hatef patah, so a ṿaṿ before it will take patah: ṿa-ʻarakhTIṾ (and
I edited it)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"">Yes, no doubt there are errors in all our databases, but think hard before you "correct" them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"">Joan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> Jasmin Nof
<a href="mailto:[mailto:jnof@upenn.edu]">[mailto:jnof@upenn.edu]</a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 28, 2012 10:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a>; Biella, Joan; Jay Rovner;
<a href="mailto:barry.walfish@utoronto.ca">barry.walfish@utoronto.ca</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of the day?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ok, I think I know what happened: 'arikhah is vocalized with a hataf-patah, so
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ועריכה </span>is vocalized va-'arikhah. You and Barry are right that the pa'al form of
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ערך </span>is with a kamats, so a simple combo of, say,
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">חיבר וערך </span>would be hiber ve-arakh. Joan, is that right?
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All 18 results of a <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">וערך </span>search in LC's cat bring up "ve-arakh"; a "va-arakh" search retrieves 12 hits, while a "ve-arakh" search retrieves 679 hits. the
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">וערכתי </span>search retrieves 52 hits, a majority of which are romanized "ve-arakhti" with a few exceptions of "va-arakhti". a "va-arakhti" search has 16 hits while "ve-arakhti" has 154 hits. Joan, should the 12 "va-arakh" and 16
"ve-arakhti" titles be fixed?<br>
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Time to check my catalog... <span class="moz-smiley-s1">:-) </span><br>
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Thanks, Jasmin<br>
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On 9/27/2012 6:18 PM, Barry Walfish wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I should think the ayin would be vocalized with a kamats, so I agree with Jay.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Barry</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jasmin Nof<br>
<b>Sent:</b> September 26, 2012 10:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of the day?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">No, a vav that comes before a letter vocalized with a hataf takes that vocalization. In this case, the ayin of arakhti is vocalized with a hataf-patah, so the vav is vocalized with a patah.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jasmin<br>
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Please pardon typos; sent from my iPod.<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Sep 25, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Jay Rovner <<a href="mailto:jarovner@jtsa.edu">jarovner@jtsa.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Biella, Joan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 24, 2012 4:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Jasmin Nof'; <a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of the day?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">The whole phrase "ha-Honen le-Adam Da'at" is capped, because it is a name consisting of a phrase, sort of like "She Who Must Be Obeyed," "Father Time,"
or "Calamity Jane" (AACR2 rule 22.11A). </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Jasmin Nof
<a href="mailto:[mailto:jnof@upenn.edu]">[mailto:jnof@upenn.edu]</a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 24, 2012 4:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a>; Biella, Joan<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of the day?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I can answer the second one more easily as it comes from the 'amidah: it's le-adam, not la-adam. (why would adam and da'at be capped?)<br>
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I'll look into the <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ער</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>"<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ח</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>...<br>
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Jasmin<br>
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On 9/24/2012 2:26 PM, Biella, Joan wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The LCCN is 2011425612 and the title is "Shut Minḥat Avraham."<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The statement of responsibility says "ḥibartiṿ ṿa-ʻarakhtiv<span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">̣</span> be-ḥesed D. ʻalai uve-ʻezrat ha-H<span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">̣</span>onen
la-Adam Daʻat ani ha-tsaʻir ʻer. h<span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">̣</span>. Avraham b.R. Saʻid H<span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">̣</span>amami, y. ts. v<span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">̣</span>."<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">My question: what is ʻer. h<span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">̣</span>. =
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ער"ח</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>? Somehow "ʻerev rosh h<span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">̣</span>odesh" doesn't fit the context.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Bonus question: should it be ha-Ḥonen la-Adam Daʻat or ha-H<span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">̣</span>onen le-Adam Daʻat?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thank you for your collective wisdom.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Joan<o:p></o:p></p>
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