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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">So in this case the crux of the matter
is the suffix. Ok, I'll take your word for it. <span
class="moz-smiley-s1"><span> :-) </span></span><br>
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On 9/28/2012 9:36 AM, Biella, Joan wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">According
to my favorite grammar book (Lambdin's <i>Introduction to
Biblical Hebrew</i>, c1971, p. 267 and vicinity), the
vowel in the first syllable of Qal verbs is reduced to sheva
when an object suffix is attached to the perfect, due to
"shift of stress and propretonic reduction." In LC
romanization, his examples would be<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">shemartini
(2.f.s.), shemartim (1.s), shemartikh (1.s.)--and many more.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If
the root begins with a guttural, the sheva becomes a hataf
patah, requiring ve- to take the form va- in the syllable
before it. All these factors would produce va-'arakhtiv.
I'm not sure how to look for Biblical examples (or
counterexamples) of this; can anyone check a few?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thank
you!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Joan<i><o:p></o:p></i></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jbie=loc.gov@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">heb-naco-bounces+jbie=loc.gov@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Barry Walfish<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of the day?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-CA">I should think the ayin would be vocalized with
a kamats, so I agree with Jay.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-CA">Barry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jasmin Nof<br>
<b>Sent:</b> September 26, 2012 10:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of the day?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">No, a vav that comes
before a letter vocalized with a hataf takes that
vocalization. In this case, the ayin of arakhti is
vocalized with a hataf-patah, so the vav is vocalized with
a patah.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Jasmin<br>
<br>
Please pardon typos; sent from my iPod.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On Sep 25, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Jay Rovner <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jarovner@jtsa.edu">jarovner@jtsa.edu</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">It would be v</span><span
style="font-size:22.0pt;color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">e</span><span
style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">-`arakhti, no?</span><span
lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA"> </span><span
lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA"> JR</span><span
lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA"> </span><span
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">Jay Rovner, PhD</span><span
lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">Manuscript
Bibliographer</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">The Library of
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lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">5501 Library</span><span
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style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">New York City,
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-CA">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-CA"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">heb-naco-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Biella, Joan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 24, 2012 4:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Jasmin Nof'; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of the
day?</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-CA"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">The whole phrase
"ha-Honen le-Adam Da'at" is capped, because it is a
name consisting of a phrase, sort of like "She Who
Must Be Obeyed," "Father Time," or "Calamity Jane"
(AACR2 rule 22.11A). </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA"> </span><span
lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-CA">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-CA"> Jasmin Nof <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:[mailto:jnof@upenn.edu]">[mailto:jnof@upenn.edu]</a>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 24, 2012 4:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a>;
Biella, Joan<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of the
day?</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-CA">I can answer the second one more easily
as it comes from the 'amidah: it's le-adam, not
la-adam. (why would adam and da'at be capped?)<br>
<br>
I'll look into the </span><span dir="RTL" lang="HE">ער</span><span
dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span
lang="EN-CA"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>"</span><span
dir="RTL" lang="HE">ח</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span
dir="LTR"></span><span lang="EN-CA"><span dir="LTR"></span><span
dir="LTR"></span>...<br>
<br>
Jasmin<br>
<br>
On 9/24/2012 2:26 PM, Biella, Joan wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-CA">The LCCN is 2011425612 and the title is
"Shut Minḥat Avraham."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:5.0pt" lang="EN-CA"> </span><span
lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-CA">The statement of responsibility says
"ḥibartiṿ ṿa-</span><span
style="font-family:"Cambria
Math","serif"" lang="EN-CA">ʻ</span><span
lang="EN-CA">arakhtiv</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""
lang="EN-CA">̣</span><span lang="EN-CA"> be-ḥesed
D. </span><span style="font-family:"Cambria
Math","serif"" lang="EN-CA">ʻ</span><span
lang="EN-CA">alai uve-</span><span
style="font-family:"Cambria
Math","serif"" lang="EN-CA">ʻ</span><span
lang="EN-CA">ezrat ha-H</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""
lang="EN-CA">̣</span><span lang="EN-CA">onen la-Adam
Da</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria
Math","serif"" lang="EN-CA">ʻ</span><span
lang="EN-CA">at ani ha-tsa</span><span
style="font-family:"Cambria
Math","serif"" lang="EN-CA">ʻ</span><span
lang="EN-CA">ir </span><span
style="font-family:"Cambria
Math","serif"" lang="EN-CA">ʻ</span><span
lang="EN-CA">er. h</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""
lang="EN-CA">̣</span><span lang="EN-CA">. Avraham
b.R. Sa</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria
Math","serif"" lang="EN-CA">ʻ</span><span
lang="EN-CA">id H</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""
lang="EN-CA">̣</span><span lang="EN-CA">amami, y.
ts. v</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""
lang="EN-CA">̣</span><span lang="EN-CA">."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:5.0pt" lang="EN-CA"> </span><span
lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-CA">My question: what is </span><span
style="font-family:"Cambria
Math","serif"" lang="EN-CA">ʻ</span><span
lang="EN-CA">er. h</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""
lang="EN-CA">̣</span><span lang="EN-CA">. = </span><span
dir="RTL" lang="HE">ער"ח</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span
dir="LTR"></span><span lang="EN-CA"><span dir="LTR"></span><span
dir="LTR"></span>? Somehow "</span><span
style="font-family:"Cambria
Math","serif"" lang="EN-CA">ʻ</span><span
lang="EN-CA">erev rosh h</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""
lang="EN-CA">̣</span><span lang="EN-CA">odesh"
doesn't fit the context.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:5.0pt" lang="EN-CA"> </span><span
lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-CA">Bonus question: should it be ha-Ḥonen
la-Adam Da</span><span
style="font-family:"Cambria
Math","serif"" lang="EN-CA">ʻ</span><span
lang="EN-CA">at or ha-H</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""
lang="EN-CA">̣</span><span lang="EN-CA">onen le-Adam
Da</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria
Math","serif"" lang="EN-CA">ʻ</span><span
lang="EN-CA">at?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-CA"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-CA">Thank you for your collective wisdom.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-CA">Joan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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lang="EN-CA"><br>
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