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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>According to my favorite grammar book (Lambdin's <i>Introduction to Biblical Hebrew</i>, c1971, p. 267 and vicinity), the vowel in the first syllable of Qal verbs is reduced to sheva when an object suffix is attached to the perfect, due to "shift of stress and propretonic reduction." In LC romanization, his examples would be<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>shemartini (2.f.s.), shemartim (1.s), shemartikh (1.s.)--and many more.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If the root begins with a guttural, the sheva becomes a hataf patah, requiring ve- to take the form va- in the syllable before it. All these factors would produce va-'arakhtiv. I'm not sure how to look for Biblical examples (or counterexamples) of this; can anyone check a few?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thank you!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Joan<i><o:p></o:p></i></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> heb-naco-bounces+jbie=loc.gov@lists.service.ohio-state.edu [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jbie=loc.gov@lists.service.ohio-state.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Barry Walfish<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of the day?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I should think the ayin would be vocalized with a kamats, so I agree with Jay.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Barry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">heb-naco-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jasmin Nof<br><b>Sent:</b> September 26, 2012 10:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of the day?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>No, a vav that comes before a letter vocalized with a hataf takes that vocalization. In this case, the ayin of arakhti is vocalized with a hataf-patah, so the vav is vocalized with a patah.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>Jasmin<br><br>Please pardon typos; sent from my iPod.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-CA><br>On Sep 25, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Jay Rovner <<a href="mailto:jarovner@jtsa.edu">jarovner@jtsa.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:#1F497D'>It would be v</span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:22.0pt;color:#1F497D'>e</span><span lang=EN-CA style='color:#1F497D'>-`arakhti, no?</span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:#1F497D'> JR</span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:#1F497D'>Jay Rovner, PhD</span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:#1F497D'>Manuscript Bibliographer</span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:#1F497D'>The Library of The Jewish Theological Seminary</span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:#1F497D'>5501 Library</span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:#1F497D'>3080 Broadway</span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:#1F497D'>New York City, New York 10027</span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:#1F497D'>(212) 678-8045</span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">heb-naco-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu]">[mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Biella, Joan<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 24, 2012 4:13 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Jasmin Nof'; <a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of the day?</span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:#1F497D'>The whole phrase "ha-Honen le-Adam Da'at" is capped, because it is a name consisting of a phrase, sort of like "She Who Must Be Obeyed," "Father Time," or "Calamity Jane" (AACR2 rule 22.11A). </span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Jasmin Nof <a href="mailto:[mailto:jnof@upenn.edu]">[mailto:jnof@upenn.edu]</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 24, 2012 4:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a>; Biella, Joan<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of the day?</span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA>I can answer the second one more easily as it comes from the 'amidah: it's le-adam, not la-adam. (why would adam and da'at be capped?)<br><br>I'll look into the </span><span lang=HE dir=RTL>ער</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span lang=EN-CA><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span>"</span><span lang=HE dir=RTL>ח</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span lang=EN-CA><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span>...<br><br>Jasmin<br><br>On 9/24/2012 2:26 PM, Biella, Joan wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA>The LCCN is 2011425612 and the title is "Shut Minḥat Avraham."<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:5.0pt'> </span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA>The statement of responsibility says "ḥibartiṿ ṿa-</span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Cambria Math","serif"'>ʻ</span><span lang=EN-CA>arakhtiv</span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>̣</span><span lang=EN-CA> be-ḥesed D. </span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Cambria Math","serif"'>ʻ</span><span lang=EN-CA>alai uve-</span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Cambria Math","serif"'>ʻ</span><span lang=EN-CA>ezrat ha-H</span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>̣</span><span lang=EN-CA>onen la-Adam Da</span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Cambria Math","serif"'>ʻ</span><span lang=EN-CA>at ani ha-tsa</span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Cambria Math","serif"'>ʻ</span><span lang=EN-CA>ir </span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Cambria Math","serif"'>ʻ</span><span lang=EN-CA>er. h</span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>̣</span><span lang=EN-CA>. Avraham b.R. Sa</span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Cambria Math","serif"'>ʻ</span><span lang=EN-CA>id H</span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>̣</span><span lang=EN-CA>amami, y. ts. v</span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>̣</span><span lang=EN-CA>."<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:5.0pt'> </span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA>My question: what is </span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Cambria Math","serif"'>ʻ</span><span lang=EN-CA>er. h</span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>̣</span><span lang=EN-CA>. = </span><span lang=HE dir=RTL>ער"ח</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span><span lang=EN-CA><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span>? Somehow "</span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Cambria Math","serif"'>ʻ</span><span lang=EN-CA>erev rosh h</span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>̣</span><span lang=EN-CA>odesh" doesn't fit the context.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:5.0pt'> </span><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA>Bonus question: should it be ha-Ḥonen la-Adam Da</span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Cambria Math","serif"'>ʻ</span><span lang=EN-CA>at or ha-H</span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>̣</span><span lang=EN-CA>onen le-Adam Da</span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Cambria Math","serif"'>ʻ</span><span lang=EN-CA>at?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA>Thank you for your collective wisdom.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA>Joan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-CA><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><pre><span lang=EN-CA>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-CA>Heb-naco mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-CA><a href="mailto:Heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">Heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-CA><a href="https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco">https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>_______________________________________________<br>Heb-naco mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">Heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a><br><a href="https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco">https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></body></html>