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<DIV class=yiv916650714moz-cite-prefix>Re: li-fene, it follows the "little word" construction as instructed in HCM. However, it now appears as its own dictionary entry (albeit with a parenthetical explanation of lamed + panim). Joan, should our practice be changed to lifne? <BR><BR>Barry, regarding a preposition being an "integral part", as far as I know it doesn't make a difference; unless the word with the preposition appears on its own in the dictionary, it's still considered a "little word" and is separated from the main word with a hyphen.<BR><BR>Jasmin<BR><BR>On 9/5/2012 2:53 PM, Robert Talbott wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">I'll let someone else field the Li-fene question, but as far as Pitedah is concerned: there's a sheva there because tet and dalet are both dentals, per the practice noted on p. 11 of Maher in the case of "mitpalelim." I suppose that would be a sheva na'. The sheva is our friend, and it's here to help.<BR><BR>My two cents, I defer to Those Who Know, etc. etc. <BR><BR>Bob<BR><BR>
<DIV class=yiv916650714moz-cite-prefix>On 9/5/2012 9:26 AM, Barry Walfish wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<div class=yiv916650714MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>Dear Safranim,</SPAN></div>
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<div class=yiv916650714MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>I have two questions about the romanization in the record for this title by Rivka Miriam and Meir Appelfeld (Raananah Even Hoshen, 2011). LCN 2011483420.</SPAN></div>
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<div class=yiv916650714MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>First, li-fene. Why not lifne? It seems to me that this is a word of which the preposition is an integral part.</SPAN></div>
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<div class=yiv916650714MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>Second, the series Pitedah. Why not Pitdah. There is no dagesh in the tet and the sheva is nah.</SPAN></div>
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<div class=yiv916650714MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US>Thanks for your help,</SPAN></div>
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