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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thank you, Joan, for the clarification. The reliance on Alcalay is unfortunate and perhaps should be revisited some day. I checked the Horev Tikkun Kor’im, which indicates sheva na and nah and the sheva under
pitdah is definitely nah.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Barry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> heb-naco-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu [mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Biella, Joan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> September 6, 2012 9:09 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Li-fene ha-nesi'ah<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">1) re li-fene: According to Hebraica Cataloging, p. 21, "in the few cases where Even-Shoshan may show the same word under more than one entry element, the more 'analytical' option is chosen." There
are definitions of "li-fene" under both lamed and peh, and therefore the standard romanization is "li-fene." In the record Barry mentions, LCCN 2011483420, the hyphen was missing in the LC iteration of the record (the form was "lifene"); I've now added the
hyphen.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">2) re pitedah: This romanization is an artifact of other statements in Hebraica Cataloging, on p. 16: "Alcalay is frequently useful in determining the status of schwas"--and later on the same page:
"Alcalay is useful for the identification of schwa nah (quiescent) and schwa na' (mobile) in that he does not transcribe the schwa nah in his vocalization scheme." Because of these comments, it is LC practice, if it's doubtful whether a schwa should be romanized
as "e," to check Alcalay; if he indicates the schwa, we romanize it as a schwa na'. This is the case with the word "pitedah." The rule is not a very good one, because in fact Alcalay transcribes quite a few schwa nahs (remember "hehedir"), but it is considered
better to follow the rule than to break it arbitrarily, as catalogers throughout the community are trying to follow the same rules. In the record Barry mentions, the series called "Pitedah" was not even traced in the LC iteration, but I've now added it.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Joan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jbie=loc.gov@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">heb-naco-bounces+jbie=loc.gov@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a>
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[mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jbie=loc.gov@lists.service.ohio-state.edu]</a> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Barry Walfish<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 05, 2012 12:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Heb-NACO] Li-fene ha-nesi'ah<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear Safranim,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I have two questions about the romanization in the record for this title by Rivka Miriam and Meir Appelfeld (Raananah Even Hoshen, 2011). LCN 2011483420.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">First, li-fene. Why not lifne? It seems to me that this is a word of which the preposition is an integral part.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Second, the series Pitedah. Why not Pitdah. There is no dagesh in the tet and the sheva is nah.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks for your help,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Barry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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